Would This Fool Anyone?

[Mark D.]

Re: Would This Fool Anyone?

Does anyone recognize any buyer names?

DOM

Sounds like the Corvette Forum. 'Hey everybody, let's find out who's buying and perhaps have them killed or at least seriously injured.'

I recognize a name or two there. Tell ya something else, I know exactly who this guy is. Tell ya something else, I ordered one of his window stickers to see how good they are. Tell ya something else, it is easily detectable unless you don't know how to detect it and if that's the case...you're gonna be fooled.

I do agree if one purchases such things in order to commit fraud, that's sad...and illegal. If one buys this to be used for hobby, what's the difference from buying from Triple A? Is it just because it is aged? Are you guys so uninformed that's all it takes to fool you? If that's the case I would suggest before you buy a high dollar Corvette, hire someone to represent you that has a clue. If you don't, you could get a nasty surprise.

It's not our job at NCRS to be the moral compass for the universe.

Regards,

Mark

[Pat M.]

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Sounds like the Corvette Forum. 'Hey everybody, let's find out who's buying and perhaps have them killed or at least seriously injured.'

I recognize a name or two there. Tell ya something else, I know exactly who this guy is. Tell ya something else, I ordered one of his window stickers to see how good they are. Tell ya something else, it is easily detectable unless you don't know how to detect it and if that's the case...you're gonna be fooled.

I do agree if one purchases such things in order to commit fraud, that's sad...and illegal. If one buys this to be used for hobby, what's the difference from buying from Triple A? Is it just because it is aged? Are you guys so uninformed that's all it takes to fool you? If that's the case I would suggest before you buy a high dollar Corvette, hire someone to represent you that has a clue. If you don't, you could get a nasty surprise.

It's not our job at NCRS to be the moral compass for the universe.

Regards,

Mark

Yup, what he said.

[Domenic T.]

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My best guess is that the forum is looking out for us not so smart guys that need to be protected from wolves.
Kinda like one would protect a child that didn't know what to watch out for.
I have to say that I would not buy one to see how fake it is even if I wanted to use it to help. Kinda like the pastor getting caught buying porno films to see how authentic they are.

Maybe I'm not as smart as the rest, but I appreciate the protection offered as to fraud.

By the way where can one get some good # stamps for the block pad? Ones that are not detectable? I want to see if I can detect the difference between the ones on my blocks and the ones available.

DOM

[Mark D.]

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I have to say that I would not buy one to see how fake it is even if I wanted to use it to help. Kinda like the pastor getting caught buying porno films to see how authentic they are.

DOM

Then you would be surprised by some of the 'things' NCRS buys with your dues money to keep up with what is out there.

I respect your opinion, Dom, but I disagree with the keeping your hands clean approach. Knowledge is power and although you choose to rely on others to protect you, I consider it naive to believe the protectors gain their knowledge through devine providence. One has to see and touch what is out there in order to learn but, don't fret, us heathens will try to keep you safe so your hands, as well as your soul, don't become soiled.

[Mike G.]

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would not fool anyone here but most everyone else. its just paper. how lond did you think it would take? fake docs have been around since docs got to be a big deal.

[Domenic T.]

Re: Would This Fool Anyone?

Then you would be surprised by some of the 'things' NCRS buys with your dues money to keep up with what is out there.

I respect your opinion, Dom, but I disagree with the keeping your hands clean approach. Knowledge is power and although you choose to rely on others to protect you, I consider it naive to believe the protectors gain their knowledge through devine providence. One has to see and touch what is out there in order to learn but, don't fret, us heathens will try to keep you safe so your hands, as well as your soul, don't become soiled.

Any other way is illegal, I like clean hands and I guess it all depends what one is trying to learn.

DOM

[Richard E.]

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All this fake document business will all go away when and if chevrolet,the truckers,floor plan insurers or whoever may have any factory documents releases them.The original dealer information from NCRS has been a big help and i have feeling there may be more info comming and then we will find out what is real...

[Mark S.]

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The paperwork for a car is like a birth certificate. Alot of folks will find out there adopted if Chevrolet ever released that info!

[Mike M.]

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The only time I ever look at things like this on eflea is when someone posts a link. This seller, Chevycraft, and a few more have been doing this for 20 years or more. Not anything really new. There is one out there that is pretty good, but still detectable. They all lack some very important information that the originals have. Ain't a tellin' no secrets, nuff said

dickie: don't think this seller is billy c, unless he's in fla. click on the other items he has for sale for fla location. btw, he uses a different name for his other parts. mike

[Dick W.]

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dickie: don't think this seller is billy c, unless he's in fla. click on the other items he has for sale for fla location. btw, he uses a different name for his other parts. mike

I know it is not "Uncle Billy", this seller is the purveyor of owners manuals and POP materials

[Mark D.]

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Papa Smurf,

It isn't Jim Clemens.

Mark

[Ara G.]

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I HATE when I see this crap....The same feeling when I see trim tags for sale....Obviously there is no way to stop this type of stuff being made, but they wouldn't be in business if people weren't buying this stuff....It's just a shame...I hate it....

[Dick W.]

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What I hate is that someone that is not familar with the plates/docs and buys a high dollar car on good faith that the provenance is good. He either brings it to the judging field, be it NCRS or Bloomington, and gets a very tough education. Leaves a very sour taste in their mouth and they leave the hobby.

The Corvette hobby is not the only one that is loaded with fraud. Camaro, MoPar, etc all have their problems.

It will never happen, but buyer's need to either bone up on their knowledge or retain a qualified inspector to look at a vehicle before they make a purchase.

The new NCRS Judging Reference Manual spells out the penalities for presenting a car with a bogus trim plate.

[Steven B.]

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Years ago I was looking at a Venetian Red/Polo White cove '57 with 283 HP FI/4 speed/684 brakes & suspension with VIN in 1500 range. I mentioned to the seller the color combination, options and a "few" parts were "incorrect" and why. The seller produced the '57's perfectly preserved window sticker and advised me I was incorrect.

[Mark S.]

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Let me ask a question, as a new member. I own two Corvettes and neither one is original. I dont mind but as time goes on and my desire to own a C1 has been growing! I have been reading all I can about the 58-60 models and after seeing and hearing all the horror stories, is there a company or person that can survey these cars? To me it would be money well spent to find someone when the time does arrive!
Thanks as always! Mark...