Anyone seen a full deduct for paint lately in judging?

[Brian M.]

Re: Anyone seen a full deduct for paint lately in judging?

I would say a full paint deduct.

Well, just to keep it interesting, I have a 65 FI car with 19000 miles on it. It has a real laquer paint job that was done 30 plus years ago.( age cracks in the original) I wanted to drive the car so I had a clear bra put on the nose. what kind of deduct would this cause?

[Jerry G.]

Re: Anyone seen a full deduct for paint lately in judging?

I would say a full paint deduct.

If thats correct it doesn't correspond to a desire to have us drive them.

[Patrick H.]

Re: Anyone seen a full deduct for paint lately in judging?

If thats correct it doesn't correspond to a desire to have us drive them.

As per the rules, "anything" on the paint that is non-factory (pinstripes, graphics, Zora's autograph) results in a full deduction. I would agree with Brian that unfortunately it will for now include a ClearBra. Someday that "may" change given their popularity now, but probably not.

Patrick

[Terry M.]

Re: Anyone seen a full deduct for paint lately in judging?

But if the clear bra covers only the nose, as Brian stated, one could argue for a 50% deduct. It would be an interesting situation.

[Peter G.]

Re: Anyone seen a full deduct for paint lately in judging?

I believe my '73 LS4 Coupe to be a BC/CC paint done in 1991 by previous owner.

I received a total paint deduct of 85 points at the 2009 Lone Star Regional. The previous year same event 2008 Lone Star Regional 22 points deduct on Body Paint? Notes were on full deduct.."BC/CC". I had dulled down my door jams, but overlooked the underhood drip rails on the top of the fenders. In 2008 received notes "overrestored fuel door" only.

I scored at this 2009 Regional with the full paint deduct of 85 points a total of 93.7. A Second Flight. As you see this meant the difference between another Top Flight and the Second Flight I received. My car is done with NCRS judging. I got the car as high in the process of a NCRS Regional Top Flight Award. I get it now..NCRS does not like my paint job! Got it! But the car has four times more trophies from other shows than the NCRS ribbons.

Good luck with your paint in judging. I would take the car to a few NCRS events and have them judge the car. If they don't like the paint because it is too nice. Forget about it.

I have the receipts from the paint job on my car in 1991. The cost was just under $10k. Today I am sure it would be somewhere between $17k-$20k. Too nice and too expensive to reduce the paint to a dull, thin covering with orange peel!

[Bill C.]

Re: Anyone seen a full deduct for paint lately in judging?

The two times I had mine judged it received -45 points. Not for color, but for "b/cc shine".

Judges have always like the dullness I did on all the places metioned, I used a semi-flat clear and did nothing to it after it was painted.

You don't have to make the areas look totally crappy, just look like a lacquer paint job that never got a buffing...

Just keep one really important thing in mind - you have to live with your car. Don't muck it up, just for the sake of judging, if it will only make you look at the car later and wonder "what the hell did I do!!". Also -- the folks who will most likely buy your car (if for sale) are the other 99.5% of the population, and I can promise you they would rather see a really nice paint job that will last a long time.....

Just my 2 cents.. FWIW

[Patrick H.]

Re: Anyone seen a full deduct for paint lately in judging?

But if the clear bra covers only the nose, as Brian stated, one could argue for a 50% deduct. It would be an interesting situation.

Not really.

You and I both know why the rule was written, and cars that have received the deduction with a nominal amount of paint being "obscured." I doubt that anything will change if the 2010 rules are applied in 2023 when our 08s might be eligible.

Patrick

[Terry M.]

Re: Anyone seen a full deduct for paint lately in judging?

I didn't say you would win the debate -- just try to make the case.

I hope both of us are around in 2023 to see that. It ought to be fun, Better yet I hope I can still drive it in 2023.

[Patrick H.]

Re: Anyone seen a full deduct for paint lately in judging?

I didn't say you would win the debate -- just try to make the case.

I hope both of us are around in 2023 to see that. It ought to be fun, Better yet I hope I can still drive it in 2023.

Assuming family history doesn't get the best of me, I hope that at 55 I'm around to drive my Corvettes.

[Scott S.]

Re: Anyone seen a full deduct for paint lately in judging?

Just curious how the original paint job on my 1980 would score. The car sat outside during the summer months for most of it's life. The paint is faded quite a bit on the "top" surface of the car. The 2 shops I took it to try try and bring some shine back reported that the paint is "dead". There is absolutely nothing that they are aware of that could bring a shine back to this surface. Which is a shame as the sides of the car look rather well for being 30 years old.

[Terry M.]

Re: Anyone seen a full deduct for paint lately in judging?

The only way to know for sure is to bring it out for judging. The judges won't bite, and if you approach judging with a "let's see what it will do" attitude you will have a bunch of fun.

The same goes for Pete.

[Jerry G.]

Re: Anyone seen a full deduct for paint lately in judging?

Not really.

You and I both know why the rule was written, and cars that have received the deduction with a nominal amount of paint being "obscured." I doubt that anything will change if the 2010 rules are applied in 2023 when our 08s might be eligible.

Patrick

OK, enlighten me. Why was the rule written? I can't see how CLEAR bra would obscure anything.

[Mike G.]

Re: Anyone seen a full deduct for paint lately in judging?

if i am judging exterior and the paint is base clear with no attempt to make it look original i would have no choice to deduct 100%." NTF" if an attempt is made to dull the jambs and interior edges i add back points depending on how it looks. if the paint is dulled below the bumpers i add more. every car is different. if you spend enough time and effort on a paint job you can make it look pretty close to original. i also look at texture. you have to leave some orange peel. i like to use single stage over base clear. if it is done right it is dead on.

[Jerry G.]

Re: Anyone seen a full deduct for paint lately in judging?

Not really.

You and I both know why the rule was written, and cars that have received the deduction with a nominal amount of paint being "obscured." I doubt that anything will change if the 2010 rules are applied in 2023 when our 08s might be eligible.

Patrick

So let me get this straight ...it's better to fake a basecoat clear coat paint job to look exactly like a laquer paint job than it is to have a real old laquer paint job that you are trying to protect with a clear bra so you can drive the car????????

[Mike G.]

Re: Anyone seen a full deduct for paint lately in judging?

[quote=! Got it! But the car has four times more trophies from other shows than the NCRS ribbons.![/quote]

if you ever decide to sell your car that one blue ribbon is worth more to your car than 1000 trophys. the blue ribbon puts your car in a whole new category with most buyers.

if you are the restorer you have an advantage. you dont have to complete the wet sanding process. do it 75% then buff the car. when you are done with the judging process you can block it down as much as you want. best of both worlds.

in a perfect world you dont have to dull anything because you shot the car in the correct lacquer. its dull in all the right areas already.