Anyone seen a full deduct for paint lately in judging?

[Domenic T.]

Re: Anyone seen a full deduct for paint lately in judging?

Scott,
If it is just the gloss that is gone and no fade or checking you can put a 2 part clear over the entire car and it will lock down most further damage and look new. I've done it in the past on cars and it looks like a new paint job. If there are bad spots you can get a color match and fog it in before the clear coat.

DOM

[Patrick H.]

Re: Anyone seen a full deduct for paint lately in judging?

OK, enlighten me. Why was the rule written? I can't see how CLEAR bra would obscure anything.

I believe that this car was part of the reason:




And, rather than put judges into the situation of having to guess "just how much of the paint is covered by ____" the rule is a "zero tolerance" rule.

Patrick

[Hugh P.]

Re: Anyone seen a full deduct for paint lately in judging?

Yes, I have seen a full deduct for paint, Saturday 19 May 2012 :/

[William F.]

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Ridge, I agree with you 100% about not getting a full deduct for BC/CC if color is correct and about paint being a part of preservation. I'll bet you aren't in as much (if any) minority on this subject as you think. Maybe judges should look at some of these trailer queens more closely-can they even make it around the block?, and not be so concerned about the lovliness of that much desired Earl Schein orange peel.
William Ford
'67 L79/C60 coupe
'67 L36/C60 coupe

[Michael W.]

Re: Anyone seen a full deduct for paint lately in judging?

Ridge, I agree with you 100% about not getting a full deduct for BC/CC if color is correct and about paint being a part of preservation. I'll bet you aren't in as much (if any) minority on this subject as you think. Maybe judges should look at some of these trailer queens more closely-can they even make it around the block?, and not be so concerned about the lovliness of that much desired Earl Schein orange peel.
William Ford
'67 L79/C60 coupe
'67 L36/C60 coupe

The colour of the paint is judged separately and prior to the appearance of the paint. The colour is an all or nothing 85 originality points with 0 for condition. The judging sheets are available for download from this site.

[Mark D.]

Re: Anyone seen a full deduct for paint lately in judging?

that much desired Earl Schein orange peel.
William Ford

Earl sure gets his last name whacked a lot

[Clark K.]

Re: Anyone seen a full deduct for paint lately in judging?

Yes, I have seen a full deduct for paint, Saturday 19 May 2012 :/

And, here is a photo of that car with me holding the trophy for winning the most prestigious concours in Texas two weeks ago, the 2012 "Keels & Wheels Concours D'Elegance". I am one of those owners who would rather take that 85 point paint deduction, still make NCRS Top Flight, and win at concours events. Those NCRS "coveted blue rosettes" are nice but the heavy concours trophys are much showier!

After my 2010 post where I wrote that my car had a bc/cc finish, I have discovered that one of the four businesses that owned the car before I bought it from ProTeam in Oct. '08, shot clear over the acrylic lacquer in order to flip it for more money.

At last weekend's NCRS Texas Chapter meet, my car took Top Flight for the second time in three years. Later, that same day at the Lone Star Corvette Club's awards banquet, my car won the Sting Ray class for the judged car show that was concurrently running along with the NCRS chapter Flight judging meet.

Last weekend, when the NCRS exterior judging team was going over my 85 point paint deduction with me, I asked them why a total deduction when the car WAS painted and the correct color. I asked them what if I had brought my car with no paint, just a gel-coated body? They told me that I would get a 170 point deduction, not just 85 points, so my "argument" was shot down!

My car has been accepted for Flight judging at the NCRS National meet this summer in San Diego. I am expecting another 85 point deduction for the car's exterior paint being over-restored.

[Pancho T.]

Re: Anyone seen a full deduct for paint lately in judging?

Just unbuffed, that's all.
My original paint 72 has jambs that are not dull by any means; they're just not buffed to a high gloss. I've never thought that "dull" was an appropriate description for the appearance.

Patrick

This what the door jams look like on my '65 as well.I guess that I need to make the original paint on my 28K mile '65 look worse than it does in order to achieve what most here think is what the original paint looked like from the factory.LOL

[Pancho T.]

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Oops... http://ckautollc.phanfare.com/212224...ageID=65322125 Actualy the trim tag reads '<blank>' for paint.

and some poor guys get a deduct even though the car has no paint on it at all!!

[Charles M.]

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I just got done having my 65 coupe judged at a local chapter top flight meet and recieved a 100% deduction for my paint (base coat/clear coat) they pointed out the jambs, fuel fill & behind bumper areas were way to glossy and had to give me a full deduct for this. I knew going in I probably would get a deduct for paint but very surprised about the 100% deduct, they were very cool about it and tried to explain what I could do in a effort to degloss those areas, Im just having a hard time degrading a paint job that looks so good, maybe if i was getting it painted I would be more open to letting the painter kept those areas less glossy, just having a hard time ruining a perfect paint job ? I'll need to sleep on this one need to work on other areas for next year (did recieve 2nd.place).

[Mark D.]

Re: Anyone seen a full deduct for paint lately in judging?

Charles,

It's good that you fully understand, you can't bring a non-typical paint job to an NCRS meet and expect them to accept your definition of perfect. It's speaks well to NCRS that your car was welcomed, judged and received a 2nd Flight.

Congratulations,

Mark

[Gene M.]

Re: Anyone seen a full deduct for paint lately in judging?

[QUOTE=Mark Donnally (13264);724722]Charles,

It's good that you fully understand, you can't bring a non-typical paint job to an NCRS meet and expect them to accept your definition of perfect. It's speaks well to NCRS that your car was welcomed, judged and received a 2nd Flight.

Well stated. There is nothing wrong with a second flight. The car does not go into the trash, you do not pass go, you do not collect 2 hundred dollars, the car remains as it is. Corvettes are brought to NCRS meets with over restoration of all kinds. Be it base clear paint, engines with a ton of orange, chassis that you can shave in, triple plated chrome, and mostly built with reproduction parts rather than restored originals. This is not restoration. NCRS is about RESTORATION, exactly as it was originally built, no better no worse. The "R" is NOT rebuilding or rodding. When ever something on the car is not EXACTLY as it came out of the factory the owner should expect a deduction for it. The problem is owners are not accepting of deductions. They put way too much value in the POINTS. Too little emphasis on the correctness of the restoration and making cars like they REALLY were.

I don't care what is said, base/clear does not look correct and should not be given a pass as if it were. It does not shut the door. We gotta be big boys with big boy pants.

[Leif A.]

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As Gene stated "NCRS is about RESTORATION...exactly as it was originally built" My'67 was judged over the weekend at the Lone Star Regionals and received a 100% deduct on paint because of too shiny door jams, hood drip rails, etc. But the difference for me was that I KNEW going in that I was going to receive a 100% deduction for my paint. When my restoration was done it was done to a standard that didn't even exist back in 1967 i.e BC/CC, power coating of frame, etc. This was done by choice. I drive my car a lot and wanted to have a car that appears as I wanted. I haven't desecrated the car for future owners. If the next caretaker wants to dull up the door jams, strip the powder coating, and everything else that I have done he/she is welcome to do so. I guess my point is, if you make your car "nicer" than it came originally,expect to be spanked...it's OK.

[Tracy C.]

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[QUOTE=Gene Manno (8571)

I don't care what is said, base/clear does not look correct and should not be given a pass as if it were. It does not shut the door. We gotta be big boys with big boy pants.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you on this Gene. Sadly, I think the "multi-club" masses are winning this battle too. New rules rolled out at the Overland Park National meet this year made me sick to my stomach. When an owner can gain back 50% of the paint points with a coat of hairspray on the door jams, that is absolutely wrong! I'm all about helping owners get a Top Flight award when deserved, but this change has no place in this organization.

tc

[Terry M.]

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I agree with you on this Gene. Sadly, I think the "multi-club" masses are winning this battle too. New rules rolled out at the Overland Park National meet this year made me sick to my stomach. When an owner can gain back 50% of the paint points with a coat of hairspray on the door jams, that is absolutely wrong! I'm all about helping owners get a Top Flight award when deserved, but this change has no place in this organization.

tc

Tracy
If you heard that hair spray works, or if you know of an example where hair spray was allowed to garner 50% of the paint points, those "judges" need 50 lashes with a wet noodle. If someone in authority told you what I bolded, they are dead wrong. (off my soap box)