85 year old lady with awsome 64 coupe w/ strange stam pad

[Rick A.]

Re: 85 year old lady with awsome 64 coupe w/ strange stam pad

well, wasn't too far off especially since I CRS! (VBG)

[Ed H.]

Re: 85 year old lady with awsome 64 coupe w/ strange stam pad

Rick, and all others, thanks for the info I will be using not only the TJM but my little 53/67 data book. My resources are aplenty, my actual evidenceis still in question. I may uncover a conspiracy between the dealer (still in existence in Glendale, Ca.), Chevrolet, flint, and GM, re: the short block. The part of the block containing the casting info, which I was unable to inspect (night, and removing the shielding) will reveal itself in the days to come. The plot thickens. As you may know my judging career has been in the oldie but goodie realm (53-57), I am winging this endeavor. I hope to learn a lot of tech regarding C-2's. Some day I may graduate and judge with the big boys. Oh to dream!

[Michael J.]

Re: 85 year old lady with awsome 64 coupe w/ strange stam pad

Mike, the plot thickens, if the factory sent the dealer a truck 283, low comp ratio, different cam etc they got away with a smoke and mirrors
deal. I received a call from the ladies step son. He is going to a storage facility, bring back all of the documents and I will examine them
for as much real info that I can. I am going to the owners home with flashlight and the TJM for 1964. This is like a movie mystery or a case I
investigated in my prior life. This is going to be fun.

Sounds like a great mystery alright, should be fun for you to research. I have always had fun talking to former owners of my cars too, but sometimes they are not entirely correct with their recollections. Having dealt with some dealers back in the '60s, I would not put it past them to see an older undamaged 283 truck block in the shop and fixing it up to resemble a Corvette engine. Stranger things have happened. But do let us all know what you discover from a more thorough forensic investigation of all the numbers and tags.

[Ed H.]

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Mike, I love a good mystery and if it uncovers some nefarious dealings between the dealer and GM I may have a case. Now that I think about it the car is 53 corvette years old, I bet the statute as run out. The whole part of this mystery is the broach marks and the stamping on the pad,
"4 N 0546". Who, where, when, what, how and why, was the pad stamped, those are just part of the intrigue involved, more to come.

[Don H.]

Re: 85 year old lady with awsome 64 coupe w/ strange stam pad

Ed,

Don't have TJM in front of me, but first meed to make sure it is a CORRECT block for 1963/64, i.e. 870. Once that is established, then check to make sure what the build date if on the block; Third, then check the build date of the car itself on the TRIM tag and verify the VIN tag matches the VIN derivative on Trim tag. Once you have done all of that "upfront" detecting, then look at the pad and make sure broach marks are evident. If ALL of the above appear to be true - then, believe the car would lose points for VIN derivative missing; build date information missing - think deduct would be something like 63 points or something along those lines. And, then of course there could be some condition points on stamp pad itself. And, again NO fine 1963/64 TJM in front of me - just my $.02 centavos input.

Rick
you know this, I know, but you forgot. There is no Condition evaluation on the Stamp Pad. 25, 25, and 38 points Originality only, all or nothing, on the three aspects. From the Standard Deduction Guidelines. There may be a conspiracy wrapped inside an enigma in this whole scenario, but the engine is what it is, and it did not come OEM in the little old lady from Glendale's 64 corvette. If the block is not an 2870, the Stamp Pad doesn't even need to be there at all. No one will care what it looks like. But, the back story sure is interesting even if only a fraction of it is true.

[Dan A.]

Re: 85 year old lady with awsome 64 coupe w/ strange stam pad

Isn't anyone concerned that this '64 car has a Marina Blue interior?

[Michael J.]

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Isn't anyone concerned that this '64 car has a Marina Blue interior?

Sure, but that pales in comparison to that engine pad stamp and the mystery therein............

[Ed H.]

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Daniel, I observed the interior by flashlight in the dark, and it was blue. I did not examine it for vinyl or leather, nor did observe the carpet color.
How many types of blue did 64 corvettes have. I am wondering what your question is about, is the words marina blue or was there a different color with a different name. I am still learning about C-2s. Vinyl is RPO 490BA and leather is RPO 898JA and the word in RPO list is Blue.

[Dan A.]

Re: 85 year old lady with awsome 64 coupe w/ strange stam pad

What the stamp represents is at the core of the post........given. But there are low probabilities and premature speculation in the story.

We also lack pertinent details. Most have a cel phone. Cel phones usually have a light. This is likely to provide an opportunity to see the casting number. Unless the car is a PowerGlide or suffers an accumulation of engine oil breath on the bell housing flange. A tach redline would be helpful and doesn't require a light.

If this was a warranty replacement there is a sequence.

Technician determines the failure. If customer pay, authorization is required of customer. If warranty depending extent of authorization level, service writer or service manager would instruct the technician to proceed. Depending on the dealers authorization level and the degree of the appropriate repair authorization may be required of their DSM (District Service Manager).

When it is determined whose paying the technician proceeds to the parts counter to obtain parts. If warranty just the required parts and the exact part numbers appropriate to that serial number car would be ordered in order for that warranty claim to be paid by the General when submitted for payment.

Did the repair require just internals, a fitted block, a partial or a long block? It will be interesting to see if the block peripherals, heads, intake, distributor etc. are still present.

Keep in mind GM has always been averse to replacing an entire engine or paint a whole car under warranty.

To ad to the mix the story appears to be the Dealer took the now used car back and the original buyer received another Corvette. Highly unusual for a Dealer and GM. If that happened there are variables as to who paid and how the repair was handled. If the repair occurred under the Dealers ownership no private owner was........short changed.

In any event it would again be unusual that the Dealer would furnish to a subsequent buyer copies of documents regarding the cars service history.

Back to the core question, how does the stamp number decode? I don't know, I was just a kid readin' Hot Rod, Car Craft and Popular Hot Rodding in that time frame. I can guess but speculation won't help the OP. I have seen stamps like that on Canadian built engines though.

I am as eager to learn what the details of the car and the documents the owner has retained reveal.

[Dan A.]

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Marina blue is the show room name of an exterior color of 1967 Corvettes. I do not recall if a simarlar blue for the passenger cars is the same show room name and code in that year. But I do know that the one '64 Corvette blue interior was closer to black than '65-7 bright blue that coorinates with Nassau and Marina Blue.

I would have thought someone who's profession involved fire arms and trained observation would know better than to shoot from the hip.

[Joe R.]

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I would have thought someone who's profession involved fire arms and trained observation would know better than to shoot from the hip.[/QUOTE]

Wrong Again!

JR

[Gene M.]

Re: 85 year old lady with awsome 64 coupe w/ strange stam pad

The original posting states:

"The paperwork she has, shows a replacement engine was installed in the car, under factory authorization, kept by the dealer then sold to the present owner sometime later. "

The admission of NOT having the engine the car was born with is clearly stated. It could not be clearer. Why is this post continuing on?

[Michael J.]

Re: 85 year old lady with awsome 64 coupe w/ strange stam pad

Daniel, I observed the interior by flashlight in the dark, and it was blue. I did not examine it for vinyl or leather, nor did observe the carpet color.
How many types of blue did 64 corvettes have. I am wondering what your question is about, is the words marina blue or was there a different color with a different name. I am still learning about C-2s. Vinyl is RPO 490BA and leather is RPO 898JA and the word in RPO list is Blue.

Ed, to my knowledge the only blue in '64 was a dark blue, like my Daytona Blue '64 roadster has. It is dark, almost as dark as the exterior Daytona Blue, when it doesn't look purple in poor lighting............

[John D.]

Re: 85 year old lady with awsome 64 coupe w/ strange stam pad

The original posting states:

"The paperwork she has, shows a replacement engine was installed in the car, under factory authorization, kept by the dealer then sold to the present owner sometime later. "

The admission of NOT having the engine the car was born with is clearly stated. It could not be clearer. Why is this post continuing on?

Thanks Gene. Thought I was the only one noticing that the gang was missing the point.
Meanwhile in this case we are basing two much on a engine. This lady owned this car for an eon.
I wish she could bring this car to the Pittsburgh Chapter's regional in August 10-12 2017. We would love to have her talk about her pride and joy. Enter the car for Sportsman or in her case a very special display. Contact me and I will help her with paper work. John D

[Michael J.]

Re: 85 year old lady with awsome 64 coupe w/ strange stam pad

Thanks Gene. Thought I was the only one noticing that the gang was missing the point.
Meanwhile in this case we are basing two much on a engine. This lady owned this car for an eon.
I wish she could bring this car to the Pittsburgh Chapter's regional in August 10-12 2017. We would love to have her talk about her pride and joy. Enter the car for Sportsman or in her case a very special display. Contact me and I will help her with paper work. John D

Ed can correct me if I am wrong, but I thought this thread is about far more than how the engine would judge in NCRS judging. We all get that, but the mystery of the entire car and the paperwork is far more interesting.