Engine pad stamp

[Bill W.]

Re: Engine pad stamp

Guys,
Most agree that "something" has happened to this pad. I submit the only way to find the truth is pull the head, but if I am selling this car I would not agree to this. Bill

[Joseph S.]

Re: Engine pad stamp

Wow, If I didn't see that coming I might have a bloody nose. I wonder why you chose my post to respond to. I see 5 or 6 other guys who didn't like the pad either.

Nice Job JOE!!

[Joe C.]

Re: Engine pad stamp

Wow, If I didn't see that coming I might have a bloody nose. I wonder why you chose my post to respond to. I see 5 or 6 other guys who didn't like the pad either.

Nice Job JOE!!

Sorry Joe, but the reason I responded directly to you is because you were the only one, up to that point in the thread, who said that the entire pad had been resurfaced. I disagree with you because the entire portion to the left of the character "I" shows what appear to me to be TFP broach marks, albeit with a broaching head in need of sharpening.

The right side of the pad not only shows skewed lines, but those lines are contiguous, appearing to have been simulated with a belt sander or similar abrasive. The left side shows lines parallel to the long axis of the head, and those lines show what appears to me to be the stippled, non contiguous characteristic of broached surfaces. Somewhat reminiscent of an old dot matrix printer. The TFP appearing broach marks are deeper and more pronounced than most, which indicates either a dull broaching tool, or simulated broach marks such as I have seen from certain very expensive and enterprising counterfeiters who typically cater to high end "entrepreneurs". I won't say whether or not the purchasers of this very expensive service have any intention of deception, but used car salesmen will be used car salesmen.

Typical simulated broach marks done with a belt sander are generally not meant to misrepresent an engine build, and are not fooling anyone who has any experience, at all, with stamp pad surfaces. Unless that particular judge left his Hambone style "coke bottle" glasses home that day and doesn't know how to read Braille.

[Joseph S.]

Re: Engine pad stamp

Apology accepted.

[Dave S.]

Re: Engine pad stamp

It doesn't.




The pads are judged against the standards of TFP. If a pad doesn't match those standards a suitable deduction is made. The background behind 'why' it doesn't match doesn't really matter.

There are no rules that permit the acceptance of a restmaped pad without deduction, nor should there be.

It allows restamping...........point is a restamped motor does not indicate a fraudulent car as was suggested in an earlier post.
It deducts points for NTFP relative to broach and actual stamping so.

[Joe C.]

Re: Engine pad stamp

Apology accepted.

It's not an apology unless you agree that the right section of the surface appears to have been altered and not the ENTIRE "pad".

[Joe C.]

Re: Engine pad stamp

It allows restamping...........point is a restamped motor does not indicate a fraudulent car as was suggested in an earlier post.
It deducts points for NTFP relative to broach and actual stamping so.

I don't know how many times and how many ways this must be said before everyone understands it. It's plain English and very true.

It also means that you can easily junk your 250 or 300 horse engine from your 1965 and early 1966 Corvette, install a 396/425 or 427/425 engine and simply take the "hit" for a NTFP pad surface and/or stamping(s) if it's done the "right" way.

[Joseph S.]

Re: Engine pad stamp

I figured it wasn't. I read your original opinion and I guess you are the expert here. I'm just trying to help a fellow member. Wasn't looking to get my knowledge attacked!!

A lot of members with great knowledge and experience refuse to post on this discussion board because of comments like the one you spit out above. I guess I don't blame them.

If I were you I would look long and hard at the left side of that pad again before thinking you have it figured out.

[Michael W.]

Re: Engine pad stamp

It allows restamping

Unfortunately, that phrase becomes easily and frequently twisted into something else which infers that NCRS accepts known restamps as being equal to genuine stamps or are accepted with a diminished point penalty.

Kinda like the similar story that NCRS accepts BC/CC paint.

[Kenneth B.]

Re: Engine pad stamp

I figured it wasn't. I read your original opinion and I guess you are the expert here. I'm just trying to help a fellow member. Wasn't looking to get my knowledge attacked!!

A lot of members with great knowledge and experience refuse to post on this discussion board because of comments like the one you spit out above. I guess I don't blame them.

If I were you I would look long and hard at the left side of that pad again before thinking you have it figured out.

I have some of the other members with great knowledge and experience as you say sent me a PM and not wanting to post on the forum & all say it is a factory stamped pad & broach marks with abrasions to the right side of the pad. Thank you for your opinion though.

[Joe C.]

Re: Engine pad stamp

I figured it wasn't. I read your original opinion and I guess you are the expert here. I'm just trying to help a fellow member. Wasn't looking to get my knowledge attacked!!

A lot of members with great knowledge and experience refuse to post on this discussion board because of comments like the one you spit out above. I guess I don't blame them.

If I were you I would look long and hard at the left side of that pad again before thinking you have it figured out.

What do you see on the left side of the pad that suggests NTFP broaching or stamp font?

If you see something that is definitive, then you should post it on this public forum and not resort to a PM. After all, everyone involved in this non-secretive, fair and balanced organization have a right to know what a young man with a low membership number has to offer.

[Jerry W.]

Re: Engine pad stamp

Problem I have is that the judges use a jeweler eye loop and took pictures then enlarged them up on a lap top to come to a decision

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[Gene M.]

Re: Engine pad stamp

Problem I have is that the judges use a jeweler eye loop and took pictures then enlarged them up on a lap top to come to a decision

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You don't need optical enhancement to see simulated machine marks that are not possible given the equipment GM used to fabricate the engine decks originally. Being not typical as GM regular production there is a NCRS method to treat this referred to as a deduction. Also be it that the ENTIRE visible pad does not reflect TFP makes it cause for deductions. To try to justify it as acceptable makes the TFP used by NCRS as a standard a joke.

Also the character's do not match up with known good build stampings on the same date. Sorry no bwayno.

[Kenneth B.]

Re: Engine pad stamp

THANKS all for posting. I have had 2 others post pictures of their pad that was within 1day of mine & the #'s & letters look like mine along with the broach marks. Both have lighter stamps toward the usage letters. The patina is also the same. Pad is dead straight could not pull a .001.5 piece cellophane from either side of the pad.

[Kenneth B.]

Re: Engine pad stamp

The fonts looks very good. It is just the grain that looks sanded.

THANK YOU. Coming from you it means a lot to ME.