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  • Joe R.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • July 31, 1976
    • 4550

    #31
    Re: Engine pad stamp

    Excellent example of an engine done in Tonawanda NY!!!!!!

    Several Big Blocks that I have seen look that bad BUT they are as original as that passenger car.

    Thanks for showing what was really done!!!!!!

    JR

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    • Joseph S.
      National Judging Chairman
      • March 1, 1985
      • 862

      #32
      Re: Engine pad stamp

      I Still wouldn't pass on this car if it is as original as reported. I am not one who believes that we should discard all Corvettes that are missing their original engine. We all know what happened to most or many of the high performance cars back in the "old days". This could be a fabulous Corvette regardless of what the engine pad looks like!!!

      Besides! It very well could be the original engine!!

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      • Kenneth B.
        Extremely Frequent Poster
        • August 31, 1984
        • 2087

        #33
        Re: Engine pad stamp

        Again THANKS everyone. I am buying the Corvette. It is listed on the CF & is a very original Ca. car. It was New Years Eve built a few Corvettes from the end of December production. KEN
        65 350 TI CONV 67 J56 435 CONV,67,390/AIR CONV,70 454/air CONV,
        What A MAN WON'T SPEND TO GIVE HIS ASS A RIDE

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        • John S.
          Very Frequent User
          • May 4, 2008
          • 424

          #34
          Re: Engine pad stamp

          Congrats Ken. It is a neat car!
          John Seeley
          67 Black/Teal
          300 hp 3 speed coupe
          65 Maroon/Black
          35k mile Fuelie coupe

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          • James W.
            Extremely Frequent Poster
            • December 1, 1990
            • 2652

            #35
            Re: Engine pad stamp

            Just one more late production '65 stamp pad for comparison.
            Attached Files

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            • Michael J.
              Extremely Frequent Poster
              • January 27, 2009
              • 7118

              #36
              Re: Engine pad stamp

              I think you are wise to do it. Since this is not a BB, and not a '67 L71, you would have to wonder why anyone would want to fake it anyway.
              Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New Mexico

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              • Patrick H.
                Beyond Control Poster
                • December 1, 1989
                • 11642

                #37
                Re: Engine pad stamp

                Originally posted by Michael Johnson (49879)
                I think you are wise to do it. Since this is not a BB, and not a '67 L71, you would have to wonder why anyone would want to fake it anyway.
                I know of plenty of base motor solid axle cars with restamped pads. I suspect that the same exist for the "midyear" cars.
                Vice-Chairman (West), Michigan Chapter NCRS
                71 "deer modified" coupe
                72 5-Star Bowtie / Duntov coupe. https://www.flickr.com/photos/124695...57649252735124
                2008 coupe
                Available stickers: Engine suffix code, exhaust tips & mufflers, shocks, AIR diverter valve broadcast code.

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                • Michael J.
                  Extremely Frequent Poster
                  • January 27, 2009
                  • 7118

                  #38
                  Re: Engine pad stamp

                  Originally posted by Patrick Hulst (16386)
                  I know of plenty of base motor solid axle cars with restamped pads. I suspect that the same exist for the "midyear" cars.
                  Wow, I didn't realize the fraudsters had moved on to L79s and the like.
                  Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New Mexico

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                  • Patrick H.
                    Beyond Control Poster
                    • December 1, 1989
                    • 11642

                    #39
                    Re: Engine pad stamp

                    Originally posted by Michael Johnson (49879)
                    Wow, I didn't realize the fraudsters had moved on to L79s and the like.
                    Trust no stamp.
                    Vice-Chairman (West), Michigan Chapter NCRS
                    71 "deer modified" coupe
                    72 5-Star Bowtie / Duntov coupe. https://www.flickr.com/photos/124695...57649252735124
                    2008 coupe
                    Available stickers: Engine suffix code, exhaust tips & mufflers, shocks, AIR diverter valve broadcast code.

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                    • Dave S.
                      Extremely Frequent Poster
                      • August 31, 1992
                      • 2924

                      #40
                      Re: Engine pad stamp

                      Originally posted by Patrick Hulst (16386)
                      Trust no stamp.
                      I'm not sure I follow the logic that a restamped motor means "fraud". We know a majority of Corvettes likely have restamped motors. The percentages increase with the horsepower and/or rarity. Doesn't the NCRS allow re stamping.?

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                      • Michael W.
                        Expired
                        • April 1, 1997
                        • 4290

                        #41
                        Re: Engine pad stamp

                        Originally posted by Dave Strickland (21448)
                        I'm not sure I follow the logic that a restamped motor means "fraud".
                        It doesn't.


                        Originally posted by Dave Strickland (21448)
                        Doesn't the NCRS allow re stamping.?
                        The pads are judged against the standards of TFP. If a pad doesn't match those standards a suitable deduction is made. The background behind 'why' it doesn't match doesn't really matter.

                        There are no rules that permit the acceptance of a restmaped pad without deduction, nor should there be.

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                        • William F.
                          Extremely Frequent Poster
                          • June 9, 2009
                          • 1363

                          #42
                          Re: Engine pad stamp

                          The answer has to do with symantics. If a pad stamp "appears" factory, that's all that counts whether it's really factory or a restamp that judges can't tell it's a restamp.. A restamp is deducted only if judges say it doesn't appear factory. So a good restamp passes, a bad one that's obviously a restamp doesn't. Isn't this the reality of stamp judging?

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                          • Kenneth B.
                            Extremely Frequent Poster
                            • August 31, 1984
                            • 2087

                            #43
                            Re: Engine pad stamp

                            Originally posted by James West (18379)
                            Just one more late production '65 stamp pad for comparison.
                            I see that the usage letters are also stamped lighter than the build date as if they were higher in the holder. This could also be why the one I posted looks like material has bee removed. Owner said the pad is flat. Also the holder my have been hit with the face cocked to the left. I owned a patternshop & have stamped a lot of cast iron. it's NOT very malleable &hard to stamp. Also the stamps get dull very fast because the iron is so hard.
                            65 350 TI CONV 67 J56 435 CONV,67,390/AIR CONV,70 454/air CONV,
                            What A MAN WON'T SPEND TO GIVE HIS ASS A RIDE

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                            • Michael J.
                              Extremely Frequent Poster
                              • January 27, 2009
                              • 7118

                              #44
                              Re: Engine pad stamp

                              Originally posted by Dave Strickland (21448)
                              I'm not sure I follow the logic that a restamped motor means "fraud".
                              It doesn't, unless the seller had it done on say a 250 HP base engine and wants to charge more by making it appear as an L79. "In essence, fraud is the intentional deception of a person or entity by another made for monetary or personal gain."
                              Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New Mexico

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                              • Michael W.
                                Expired
                                • April 1, 1997
                                • 4290

                                #45
                                Re: Engine pad stamp

                                Originally posted by Michael Johnson (49879)
                                It doesn't, unless the seller had it done on say a 250 HP base engine and wants to charge more by making it appear as an L79. "In essence, fraud is the intentional deception of a person or entity by another made for monetary or personal gain."
                                That's also counterfeit, under NCRS definition.

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