battery deductions

[Michael J.]

Re: battery deductions

Hi Mark, it was great to meet you too, at Terry's advanced judging seminar, and I wish the weather had been better so we could have looked at your car and talked about it, it sounds great. I agree with Terry, the Bowtie class is for cars like that. Heck, they don't even have to run, you can get them flight judged and get a sign-off into the class (to be judged by Bowtie judges at a National for 1-2-3-or 4 star) with the likelihood of a high percentage of never touched parts, even if they do not function, but normal maintenance service items are excluded, as Terry says.

[Douglas L.]

Re: battery deductions

Okay, thanks again for the info but new question. So I searched the ACDelco website and the battery they now sell for a 68 corvette is a group 24. If I get a new ACDelco group 24 will I still only see the 50% deduction even though we all know its the wrong group? They do sell a group 59 but I don't think group 59 is the same a r59s, dimension wise the group 24 is closer to the r59s than the group 59 is. I guess what I'm asking is, whats more important, dimensions or group #?

[Terry M.]

Re: battery deductions

Okay, thanks again for the info but new question. So I searched the ACDelco website and the battery they now sell for a 68 corvette is a group 24. If I get a new ACDelco group 24 will I still only see the 50% deduction even though we all know its the wrong group? They do sell a group 59 but I don't think group 59 is the same a r59s, dimension wise the group 24 is closer to the r59s than the group 59 is. I guess what I'm asking is, whats more important, dimensions or group #?

Douglas

59 is not the group number. It is an arbitrary number assigned by the battery division of AC Delco.

I have some things to do this morning that will keep me from looking up the correct group number for your 1968. You might try the internet, but if that is not productive the AMA specifications for your 1968 are on-line at the GM Heritage Center web site. You will have to search through those pages for the battery specifications, but I would bet you will find more interesting information there anyway. You may want to download those PDFs for your future edification.

[Michael J.]

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Douglas, here is the link to the document Terry referred to:

https://www.gmheritagecenter.com/docs/gm-heritage-archive/vehicle-information-kits/Corvette/1968-Chevrolet-Corvette.pdf

I think Terry is correct about the group number.
And in all the battery books I see, the size 24 is the proper dimensions to fit in the '68 Corvette.

[Steve B.]

Re: battery deductions

I have a few sets of original tires and none of them need stop leak or are cracked POS. I simply want my cars the way that I want them, which is as original as I can possibly make them. I find it disturbing that people always have to refer others as having more money than brains when they simply want to make their cars the best that they can be, not for the ego boost but because of the sheer enjoyment that it brings. Sincerely a non member of the fat wallet club.tire collection.jpg

[Floyd B.]

Re: battery deductions

If the reproduction battery case shows depressions for the cell separators below the surface, that will get a deduction. See page 24 of the 1968-69 JG.

Reba,

I actually find the wording in this section rather confusing. It states:

"Current reproduction batteries for the R79S are molded from plastic while the originals were molded from a material that results in a depression showing where the cell separators are molded to the top. Originals did not have depressions where the separators are molded to the top."

The first sentence seems to indicate that the depressions should be there then the second sentence seems to contradict this. I can only assume this doesn't apply to the R59S. I always thought that the R59S did not have the separator depressions and the R79S did but I could very well be wrong.

[Terry M.]

Re: battery deductions

Douglas, here is the link to the document Terry referred to:

https://www.gmheritagecenter.com/docs/gm-heritage-archive/vehicle-information-kits/Corvette/1968-Chevrolet-Corvette.pdf

I think Terry is correct about the group number.
And in all the battery books I see, the size 24 is the proper dimensions to fit in the '68 Corvette.

Thanks for the help Mike. I just didn't have the chance to get back to this today.

[Douglas L.]

Re: battery deductions

It does appear that group 24 is the correct modern replacement for the r59s. The parts room where I work has a good relationship with the local chevy dealer and i was able to get a AC Delco replacement battery at a reasonable price. Going to pick it up the AM before I head out to the event. I actually feel alot better buying a group 24 as its a very common group size and I should either be able to re-purpose it or give it to someone who needs it if I do decide to get a correct repro in the future. Thanks everyone, Doug

[Alan S.]

Re: battery deductions

Hi Doug,
Well Done!
AND, every time you see that battery you'll remember this ttthhhrrreeeaaaddd!
Good Luck with Flight Judging!
Regards,
Alan

[Mark D.]

Re: battery deductions

I think this has been an excellent 'laundry airing' thread and, kudos to the moderators for letting it run?

ps-nice tars, Steve

[Terry M.]

Re: battery deductions

I think this has been an excellent 'laundry airing' thread and, kudos to the moderators for letting it run?

ps-nice tars, Steve

Best of luck Douglas. Let us know how your Corvette scores.

Yes, Steve's tars made even my heart go pitter patter, and I have never owned a mid year.

[Gene M.]

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This whole battery point thing is so goofy. There was a time when owners were interested in making their cars correct. Now it is all about the points. The whole idea of awarding partial points for something that has a Delco name on it but is nothing even remotely resembling an original battery is also goofy. Are points and a ribbon that important? Corvette CORRECT restoration used to be the topics talked about. Now it is getting the fewest point deductions for something everybody knows is wrong. Just Goofy. You don't have to agree, it's just my observation.

[Michael J.]

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It does appear that group 24 is the correct modern replacement for the r59s. The parts room where I work has a good relationship with the local chevy dealer and i was able to get a AC Delco replacement battery at a reasonable price. Going to pick it up the AM before I head out to the event. I actually feel alot better buying a group 24 as its a very common group size and I should either be able to re-purpose it or give it to someone who needs it if I do decide to get a correct repro in the future. Thanks everyone, Doug

Excellent Douglas, I'll see you at Ops this afternoon. You are very lucky to be in a place that has Delco batteries in stock. Where I live the only dealer told me it would take a week to get one that would fit in my '81. They are not that common where I live, good luck!

[Michael J.]

Re: battery deductions

I think this has been an excellent 'laundry airing' thread and, kudos to the moderators for letting it run?

ps-nice tars, Steve

Yes, I do too. All of us have different perspectives, opinions, and experiences, I think that is what makes NCRS the best there is. We should not be afraid of polite technical discussions about judging issues and processes. We will never agree on all things, but that is how it should be.

And yes, those are incredible tires and not what I was speaking about. My brother worked for Goodyear all his life, and he had customers who would buy large lots of tires and have them delivered to the salt mine storage units in Kansas. I always suspected some of those would make it out someday, so I always wonder about the really like new ones I have seen that are 50-60 years old.

[Michael J.]

Re: battery deductions

. Are points and a ribbon that important? Corvette CORRECT restoration used to be the topics talked about. Now it is getting the fewest point deductions for something everybody knows is wrong. Just Goofy. You don't have to agree, it's just my observation.

I don't disagree, and your observation is valid, but I think you have to realize the quest for a Duntov Award (or McClellan or Hill), and we can disagree about whether that is a destination or a journey, requires every tiny detail to be "correct" for the points, since small amounts of points make or break it. And since the money and time invested to get there is so high, it all takes on larger significance to an owner.