battery deductions

[Reba W.]

Re: battery deductions

I understood there was now an errata sheet process we could access to see running changes?

That forum does not seem to be working too well. Only team leaders or the national judging chair can post corrections, and it shows only one post by Dave Brigham in February. I have submitted some that have never appeared.

[Mark D.]

Re: battery deductions

You should've stuck the top back on and demanded full credit!

[Michael J.]

Re: battery deductions

You hit upon 2 items I tell owners when they are preparing their cars for judging.

1. Know the car and the process at least as well as the judge. It is the owner's responsibility to be aware of where to expect deductions, especially standard deductions, and to know the main areas where their car falls short. If you show up and don't know the car or the process I am very willing to educate, but don't complain if there are surprises.

2. Never change your car based on one judge or one judging. Never. And if you believe the configuration to be original, leave it alone.

If you want a judge to only use the JG, you may as well download the sheets from this web site, judge it yourself at home, and give yourself a score. If you want a knowledgeable judge to thoroughly evaluate your Corvette then bring it in for NCRS judging and be prepared for thorough.

[Michael J.]

Re: battery deductions

Thanks Reba, I was wondering what happened to it.

[Michael J.]

Re: battery deductions

One other thing to look at...the side post restoration batteries have 2 beads of silicone holding the entire top on to the side case. One on each side. Inside is a small optima battery

At the Kansas City National, The top popped off of my battery when touched by a judge. Same exact issue with the 69 next to me. Full deduct for battery as they didnt even closely resemble original.

Touch your battery top and make sure it is secure.

I'm not sure a judge should be touching your battery to that extent. I thought they had to have your permission to touch anything.

[Bob R.]

Re: battery deductions

The judges are not supposed to touch things, they can ask the owner to open doors, glove box, perform the operations tasks, etc. I have seen some owners tell judges to help themselves with doors but the judges should always be cautions and very careful around these cars. If the top broke loose from the battery some type of force must have been used and the judges should not have done that. I was not pleased when I noticed the interior judges going through the contents of my glove box with out asking for permission I was standing right next to them.

[Mark D.]

Re: battery deductions

...Using additional knowledge about an item to help an owner, without nickel and diming the car to death with deductions for things not in the TIM&JG, is totally different.

So, small items should be overlooked? If that's what you are saying, that just lowers the NCRS standard.

[Michael J.]

Re: battery deductions

The judges are not supposed to touch things, they can ask the owner to open doors, glove box, perform the operations tasks, etc. I have seen some owners tell judges to help themselves with doors but the judges should always be cautions and very careful around these cars. If the top broke loose from the battery some type of force must have been used and the judges should not have done that. I was not pleased when I noticed the interior judges going through the contents of my glove box with out asking for permission I was standing right next to them.

+1, I agree, owners need to be more forceful in exercising their rights around judges.

[Michael W.]

Re: battery deductions

So, small items should be overlooked? If that's what you are saying, that just lowers the NCRS standard.

Some people just want a blue ribbon, others want to learn about their car.

[Michael J.]

Re: battery deductions

So, small items should be overlooked? If that's what you are saying, that just lowers the NCRS standard.

You can look at it that way, I would call that giving the owners the benefit of the doubt about anal retentive items not covered in the TIM&JG.

[Michael J.]

Re: battery deductions

Some people just want a blue ribbon, others want to learn about their car.

[Bob J.]

Re: battery deductions

Some people just want a blue ribbon, others want to learn about their car.

Doesn't take long reading this thread to know who wants a ribbon or knowledge.

[Mark D.]

Re: battery deductions

That sounds like an emotional response, fueled with anger.

[Michael J.]

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That sounds like an emotional response, fueled with anger.

You are entitled to your opinion, I was merely pointing out that owners should not be forgotten in this process (that seems to be driven and ruled by judges) and what motivates them. It is not what motivates judges. I spent many years in college learning, and more teaching, and I enjoyed it all a great deal, but learning is not all there is in life, or in NCRS, otherwise we should all just be giving and going to seminars.

But I do apologize to Mr. Lightfoot, as this thread went way off topic.

[Gary H.]

Re: battery deductions

I dont think that the judge molested my battery. I think that restoration battery should have used more than 2 dabs of silicone to hold the battery topper onto the side case.