Let's condence the Regionals timewise before it is too late.

[Kevin G.]

Re: Let's condence the Regionals timewise before it is too late.

Kevin, I think the only way a judge arrives without a job is due to an owner withdrawing his car. The Team Leaders know how many cars they have and select their judging teams based on that. I judge in the 53-55 and 56-57 class and I know ahead of time via the Team Leader if there are any cars. If there are no cars in the class I do not receive an invitation to judge.

I'll let others address the $$$ part of your question..

Harry,

Yes you are correct it was a last minute cancelation (see Terry's post) The team leader was one also to travel.

The $$$ question also pertains to the mentioned Judging Retreat. IIRC they, (those in charge) had a tough time filling the spots at the last retreat? The costs have to be quite high, I'd assume?

Thanks!

[Dennis C.]

Re: Let's condence the Regionals timewise before it is too late.

Thanks David, wanted to check and make sure I read the minutes correctly and make sure the insider info was not out yet.

It was mentioned at Charlotte that the judging retreat will be in March at the same Dallas location. Don't recall the specific weekend.

Dennis

[Terry M.]

Re: Let's condence the Regionals timewise before it is too late.

Can we talk finances for a moment? While I haven't been privy to the income/expenses incurred with putting on such a large event as a regional. I have to ask, how can these BIG events continue to survive with such small numbers of cars being entered for judging? In this case there were, as mentioned above by Terry, several judges that traveled at their expense to arrive without a job....

This question of condensing is inevitable at this rate. The meets will become more about the people than the cars.

Kevin,
I am sure you are aware that all judges, including the Team Leaders, travel to the meets at their own expense. They pay for their own lodging and other expenses as well.

[Bob D.]

Re: Let's condence the Regionals timewise before it is too late.

Mark

Not sure how guys knew a year in advance they would be judging, since the automated system does not even give the team leaders the judges' names until three weeks before the meet. I used to volunteer to judge as much as possible, now I volunteer to judge only one day to give other folks a chance to judge. I figure I got my 400 level a while back and so it is time to let others get their points.

Regarding doing a regional in less time, we did two day regionals at Waco a couple of times in the 90's. Unless you have a ton of judges you can't get it all done in 2 days. That is especially difficult if you have 8 cars. If you limit the classes to less than 8 then you force owners to travel greater distances to go to a regional r wait until the next one in their area. There are trade offs to everything.

[Gary C.]

Re: Let's condence the Regionals timewise before it is too late.

Mark,

When I judge with OJ's I ask them to hold their questions until the 2 Judges go over the Judging Sheets together prior to reviewing with the owner. Doing Q&A with an OJ will lengthen the process and can impact the owner confidence if they overhear the discussion as many owners do. BTW, I usually tell the owner the same thing, to hold their questions and observations until the Judging sheets are reviewed with them.

Gary
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[Mark S.]

Re: Let's condence the Regionals timewise before it is too late.

Gary:

Thanks! That is a more polite way to handle the questions from the OJ's than we experienced.

Mark

[Ray G.]

Re: Let's condence the Regionals timewise before it is too late.

Or allow more judging teams to participate. Imagine getting done with judging on the first day inside the building instead of dragging it out for two days. It would be interesting to know how many Master Judges attend just to sit on the side line because the teams are full.

I'm aware this may require more Tabulators as well as a tweak in our on-line registration system to allow more than one team per class, but I think it's doable if we wanted it.

tc

Hello;
I agree with Tracy.
Respectfully.
Ray

[Gary C.]

Re: Let's condence the Regionals timewise before it is too late.

Cost to the host Chapter should be factored into the equation. The more Judges you have the more the expense for Judges breakfast, lunches and shirts. Also some facilities require a 3 day rental.

The higher the cost to the host Chapter the higher the event registration fee.

JMTCW,

Gary
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[Larry E.]

Re: Let's condence the Regionals timewise before it is too late.

Larry,

While I respect your opinion, I also judge at Bloomington and, it lasts several days. We have a waiting list for the 68/69 class. Although I like the current length of Regional meets, I'm not smart enough to know whether it is good or bad, in the long term.

Kramden
Captain of the Bus

Mark: IMHO: That bubble will soon burst also. Waiting list and the actual cars that show up are different. When I took my 68 to B/G I was on
a waiting list. When the actual judging day came only 8 cars showed up. Larry

Ed Norton
Captain of the Sewers (Ha Ha; couldn't resist)

[Harry S.]

Re: Let's condence the Regionals timewise before it is too late.

Don't you just appreciate positive thinking!

[Edward M.]

Re: Let's condence the Regionals timewise before it is too late.

There is a point in this thread that does need to be address. It will be addressed in some fashion, either by affirmative action NCRS or overcome by events due to lack of action.


I know of a number of judges that have given up on volunteering to judge. They have volunteered many times at regionals (primarily Kissimmee, but others as well) and do not get selected to judge. And let's be honest, OJs are treated like unwanted step-children in way too many cases.

The OJ idea is good in theory, in practice it falls short. Now, I know that many people have had good experiences being an OJ, and I have as well on occasion. I have also had not so good experiences. The bad experiences far outweighed the good experiences as an OJ.

We continue to insist that we MUST provide the most experienced judges available. Horsehockey! What we need to be doing is pairing these highly experienced judges with less experienced judges. Seriously, our judging manuals and processes are so refined that all you need to do to judge a car is be able to read and write.

OK, I challenge the team leaders to do the following:

1. When selecting judges, pair a Master level judge with a less experienced judge. Perhaps a Level 300 Master, paired with a level 5 (50-60 points) judge. Use that opportunity to train our next generation of judges.

2. When selecting judges, give preference to the judges from the local chapter when possible. Team a Level 300 master judge that flew in from across the country with a local level 5 judge.

We would all benefit from this approach, and continue to develop new judging talent and skills as well.

On a related note: I also think that the people that contribute to the preparation of judging manuals should get some judging point recognition for this. The points awarded, etc. can be worked out, but helping to prepare a judging manual / revision is often a good deal more work than judging. Just a thought.

Dennis Clark had a great idea many years ago, but even the best ideas can use massaging from time to time.

[Gary C.]

Re: Let's condence the Regionals timewise before it is too late.

Also, the maximum Judging Points that could be earned at a Regional event would be reduced to 4 Judging Points. Currently, it's 7 maximum.

Gary
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[Harry S.]

Re: Let's condence the Regionals timewise before it is too late.

Also, the maximum Judging Points that could be earned at a Regional event would be reduced to 4 Judging Points. Currently, it's 7 maximum.

Gary
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Please clarify, two judging days is 6?

[Edward M.]

Re: Let's condence the Regionals timewise before it is too late.

Please clarify, two judging days is 6?

Isn't there one point for the judging school prior to judging?

[Harry S.]

Re: Let's condence the Regionals timewise before it is too late.

Isn't there one point for the judging school prior to judging?

Yes, currently:

Thursday - 1 point Judging School
Friday - 3 points for judging
Saturday - 3 points for judging