Let's condence the Regionals timewise before it is too late.

[Michael J.]

Re: Let's condence the Regionals timewise before it is too late.

I'll add another thought, being retired with plenty of time on my hands, and since cars are my hobby (now more like my job), as is visiting with car people and seeing old friends, I love the way it is. Maybe we could make them last an extra day?

[Mark D.]

Re: Let's condence the Regionals timewise before it is too late.

Hanson and I like to see at least one run. Will we be disappointed?

No problem, oh great Oracle of Oxide.

[Mark D.]

Re: Let's condence the Regionals timewise before it is too late.

...I see there was no C3's at the Joplin Regional and it will not get any better in the future.

Note to NCRS: (Captain of the Titanic) : Please change course asap; there is an iceberg ahead. Please don't take us all down. Larry

Larry,

While I respect your opinion, I also judge at Bloomington and, it lasts several days. We have a waiting list for the 68/69 class. Although I like the current length of Regional meets, I'm not smart enough to know whether it is good or bad, in the long term.

Kramden
Captain of the Bus

[Brady C.]

Re: Let's condence the Regionals timewise before it is too late.

I like the current set up as it is all about the friends you make and only getting to see them and visit at these Regional events, as all about the "people" as the cars are a bonus!!! Charlotte had 200+ in attendance with about 70 cars,, so there you have it... People vs. cars!!

[Mark S.]

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I agree with the friends and cars part; however, for our chapter putting on the last Regional meet-this has caused a rift with some of our chapter members. Our members would work hard to put a Regional meet on, and in the past our members were allowed to participate in the judging process and gain knowledge on the cars and judging process. Now the fly boys come in, judge the cars, get the free shirts, get the free meals, get the judging points and congregate by themselves. The chapter members, several that are at the 100, 200 level, etc. are sitting on the sidelines. Nothing against Terry McM; however, you can only go to so many of these seminars. We are losing members in our chapter due to this present process. I applaud the other Regionals that are working well; however, as a long time passionate NCRS member, this present system is not working for several of our long time members. We did voice this concern to or Regional Rep to no avail.

[Tracy C.]

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Wow...I understand in theory as to why we want the most experienced judges working the cars at the Regional and National Level. However, I've OJ'd for 400 level judges and watched as they tried to decide IF they were going to take a standard deduction on something that was obvious to me that it needed to be taken. I've also witnessed 400 level judges disregard the practice of point assignment using CDCIF guidelines and just take a couple of points here or there because "that is how I always do it."

The bottom line is our system isn't perfect but it is pretty good most of the time.. Judges stop accumulating points once they reach the 400 level. Maybe, just maybe they should also go on "will call" status at this point and let the up and comers get in the game. We have one guy in our chapter that has just rounded third (300 level) and headed for home. He tells me every chapter meet that he will judge only if needed because he wants the others guys to get some experience. Pretty dang admirable in my book.

tc

[David H.]

Re: Let's condence the Regionals timewise before it is too late.

QUOTE. Mark Swanson (6796) .... and in the past our members were allowed to participate in the judging process and gain knowledge on the cars and judging process. Now the fly boys come in, judge the cars, get the free shirts, get the free meals, get the judging points and congregate by themselves. The chapter members, several that are at the 100, 200 level, etc. are sitting on the sidelines. .... QUOTE


Mark,

You raise a valid concern that deserves it's own discussion rather than be buried in this thread.

I will note that many times the Observer Judge positions go unfilled. With only minor judging points difference between the Judge/OJ roles, being an observer judge is an excellent way to gain experience and accumulate points. I understand YMMV, but personally, the vast majority of my OJ experiences have been great!

Perhaps a discussion board thread could elicit some ideas for improving the system. I know owners don't want a "third" judge on their cars, but it seems like improving the Judge/OJ experience could benefit the transfer of knowledge. Taking more time with the OJ will unavoidably slow the judging process, and maybe this is exactly what we should do. "Mentor Judge", a topic during the 2016 Judging Retreat?

[Michael J.]

Re: Let's condence the Regionals timewise before it is too late.

A topic during the 2016 Judging Retreat?

Will it be in Dallas again?

[Mark S.]

Re: Let's condence the Regionals timewise before it is too late.

Some of our members did not have good experiences as observer judges; and some were not allowed to be an observer judge. One member was a 200 level; and he was not allowed to be an observer judge. There were other times, as observer judges, we were told to keep our mouths shut. Some of the judges that came to our Regional knew a year in advance that they would be judging at our meet. We were left with the crumbs of the judges that could not make it. Hopefully, you can understand some of our frustrations.

[James G.]

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I joined NCRS in 1976. Started the So. Cal Chapter. Was even on the National Board in 1983 to 1986. Since the late 90's, I have attended Regional and National meets on a limited, but fun basis, as I always enjoy visiting a new location, and meeting old friends......and new ones too.

Finally got my Master Hat at LAKE TAHOE Regional in 2013. Due to medical issues, I can't judge like I used to, but my brain is still good so I can share knowledge and do operations, maybe even a PV. It's impossible to attend each Regional, but I love how I have the choice to go to IOWA......NEW MEXICO.......NEW JERSEY.......OREGON........BOSTON.......and even FLORIDA and TEXAS. What other hobby can you drive to and see this beautiful country. I hate to think of being stuck in the city all these years.

KEEP GRABING that brass ring. Life is GOOD......but can be short.

[David H.]

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Will it be in Dallas again?

Mike,

Minutes from the National Board meeting at the recently completed Tucson Regional just said a 2016 Retreat was approved. Did not say where or when.

[Michael J.]

Re: Let's condence the Regionals timewise before it is too late.

Mike,

Minutes from the National Board meeting at the recently completed Tucson Regional just said a 2016 Retreat was approved. Did not say where or when.

Thanks David, wanted to check and make sure I read the minutes correctly and make sure the insider info was not out yet.

[Harry S.]

Re: Let's condence the Regionals timewise before it is too late.

If I had to place a bet, I would go with Dallas in February.

[Kevin G.]

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Can we talk finances for a moment? While I haven't been privy to the income/expenses incurred with putting on such a large event as a regional. I have to ask, how can these BIG events continue to survive with such small numbers of cars being entered for judging? In this case there were, as mentioned above by Terry, several judges that traveled at their expense to arrive without a job....

This question of condensing is inevitable at this rate. The meets will become more about the people than the cars.

[Harry S.]

Re: Let's condence the Regionals timewise before it is too late.

Can we talk finances for a moment? While I haven't been privy to the income/expenses incurred with putting on such a large event as a regional. I have to ask, how can these BIG events continue to survive with such small numbers of cars being entered for judging? In this case there were, as mentioned above by Terry, several judges that traveled at their expense to arrive without a job....

This question of condensing is inevitable at this rate. The meets will become more about the people than the cars.

Kevin, I think the only way a judge arrives without a job is due to an owner withdrawing his car. The Team Leaders know how many cars they have and select their judging teams based on that. I judge in the 53-55 and 56-57 class and I know ahead of time via the Team Leader if there are any cars. If there are no cars in the class I do not receive an invitation to judge.

I'll let others address the $$$ part of your question..