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  • Joe L.
    Beyond Control Poster
    • January 31, 1988
    • 43196

    #91
    Re: My Vin Plate and Frame Number don't match?

    Originally posted by Hugh Smith (60000)
    Thank You! I will and I will let you know. about this matter. What would you consider to be 100% solid?

    Best Regards and Thank You,
    Hugh #60,000
    Hugh------


    The one I would be looking for is an unquestionably original VIN tag which matches the VIN derivative on the frame together with a solid title matching that VIN that can be tracked through at least a few previous owners (in other words, not a "fresh" title that some clever operators in the automotive world can create "out of thin air", something that can be done in some states).

    I think the chances you're going to get the above is about one in a billion. There might be some other ways to get to something I would consider 100% solid. Let's see what they have to offer.

    Keep in mind that what they currently have is a VIN and associated title which do not match the car the VIN tag was installed on. That means they do not have the car which they have the VIN and title for. But, they do have a car which they have no proof or documentation they own. It's simply a car which they possess but have absolutely no proof of ownership. That's a real conundrum and I don't know any legitimate way out of it. Assuming they were even aware of the discrepancy (and they should have been even if they were not), they tried to solve their problem by passing the problem on to you.

    One approach that I would consider likely here is for them to refund your purchase price and then try to sell the car to someone else who has less informed advice and is less discerning. In other words, pass the problem on to someone else.
    In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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    • Paul D.
      Very Frequent User
      • September 30, 1996
      • 491

      #92
      Re: My Vin Plate and Frame Number don't match?

      Hugh, would you be willing to accept a state issued VIN? That's one "fix" I could see happening. For our judging, they are completely acceptable. Some people simply don't like the idea of a non GM VIN plate and most take it into consideration when making offers to purchase. Chip.

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      • Leif A.
        Extremely Frequent Poster
        • August 31, 1997
        • 3611

        #93
        Re: My Vin Plate and Frame Number don't match?

        Hugh,

        We all here wish you the absolute best in your dealings with Auctions America. With that said, the only rational solution to your current situation is to get your money back and start fresh. This '58-'59 Corvette will never be "right". You don't want it...there are others out there. It may take time to find the right one (took me 17 years to find mine) but they are out there. You've invested enough time with this...it's time to move on with your money in hand.

        Leif
        Leif
        '67 Coupe L79, M21, C60, N14, N40, J50, A31, U69, A01, QB1
        Top Flight 2017 Lone Star Regional

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        • Hugh S.
          Frequent User
          • May 11, 2014
          • 38

          #94
          Re: My Vin Plate and Frame Number don't match?

          Hi Chip,
          I have thought of that But I'm not sure it I would? Good Point!
          Hugh

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          • Hugh S.
            Frequent User
            • May 11, 2014
            • 38

            #95
            Re: My Vin Plate and Frame Number don't match?

            Originally posted by Joe Lucia (12484)
            Hugh------


            The one I would be looking for is an unquestionably original VIN tag which matches the VIN derivative on the frame together with a solid title matching that VIN that can be tracked through at least a few previous owners (in other words, not a "fresh" title that some clever operators in the automotive world can create "out of thin air", something that can be done in some states).

            I think the chances you're going to get the above is about one in a billion. There might be some other ways to get to something I would consider 100% solid. Let's see what they have to offer.

            Keep in mind that what they currently have is a VIN and associated title which do not match the car the VIN tag was installed on. That means they do not have the car which they have the VIN and title for. But, they do have a car which they have no proof or documentation they own. It's simply a car which they possess but have absolutely no proof of ownership. That's a real conundrum and I don't know any legitimate way out of it. Assuming they were even aware of the discrepancy (and they should have been even if they were not), they tried to solve their problem by passing the problem on to you.

            One approach that I would consider likely here is for them to refund your purchase price and then try to sell the car to someone else who has less informed advice and is less discerning. In other words, pass the problem on to someone else.
            Joe,
            Thank You, excellent response! May I use some of your words when I talk to Auction Amercia?
            I have No idea How they are going to get a corrcet title. Oh thaye can get a GM/Corvette vin Tag Remanufactured to make the correct VIN stamed on it. But How do they get a title that matches the Vin? Good Point. I may take the long Drive (700 miles) to Auburn and have a face to face talk. What do you think?

            HUgh
            #60,000

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            • Hugh S.
              Frequent User
              • May 11, 2014
              • 38

              #96
              Re: My Vin Plate and Frame Number don't match?

              Paul,

              Yes, I have thought about that as a possible fix. We certanily have those state issued VIN's plate/tags in Virginia. I have seen several, they are UGly!! Albeit legal. What does a state issue VIn tag , generally do to offers to purchase?
              Hugh

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              • Edward B.
                Very Frequent User
                • December 31, 1987
                • 537

                #97

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                • Joe L.
                  Beyond Control Poster
                  • January 31, 1988
                  • 43196

                  #98
                  Re: My Vin Plate and Frame Number don't match?

                  Originally posted by Hugh Smith (60000)
                  Joe,
                  Thank You, excellent response! May I use some of your words when I talk to Auction Amercia?
                  I have No idea How they are going to get a corrcet title. Oh thaye can get a GM/Corvette vin Tag Remanufactured to make the correct VIN stamed on it. But How do they get a title that matches the Vin? Good Point. I may take the long Drive (700 miles) to Auburn and have a face to face talk. What do you think?

                  HUgh
                  #60,000

                  Hugh-----


                  Yes, you can use my words.
                  In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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                  • Bob H.
                    Very Frequent User
                    • July 31, 2000
                    • 800

                    #99
                    Re: My Vin Plate and Frame Number don't match?

                    I have never seen a car I just couldn't do without. I believe you will live to regret anything but your money back on this car. There are too many legitimate cars for sale without issues like this. If it was me, I would not be driving 700 miles to discuss this. There should be no need for that. If they drag their feet on providing a full refund, I would be on the doorstep of State's Attorney General's office for selling you a car without clear title, file a complaint with whatever dept governs auction companies and also let them know this is going viral on Corvette websites and the publicity is going to cause them great harm in future sales. Like Ed said, you need to step up your game with these folks or hire someone that will do it for you. I still can't fathom why you are screwing around on this as long as you have. Sorry for being so blunt but I believe many others on here feel the same. I just don't want to see a fellow Corvette owner get screwed over.

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                    • Dan A.
                      Extremely Frequent Poster
                      • May 31, 1974
                      • 1074

                      Re: My Vin Plate and Frame Number don't match?

                      Has there been a resolution?

                      If so what was it?

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                      • Edward B.
                        Very Frequent User
                        • December 31, 1987
                        • 537

                        Re: My Vin Plate and Frame Number don't match?

                        It has now been over six months since this VIN question was first raised. I am sure that many of us who have invested time and thought into offering possible solutions would appreciate hearing if Auctions America has corrected the problem or otherwise made the purchaser whole.

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                        • Hugh S.
                          Frequent User
                          • May 11, 2014
                          • 38

                          Re: My Vin Plate and Frame Number don't match?

                          Edward,
                          Thank You for you notes. It is nice to know that some on the NCRS board are concerned. Auctions Amercica did the right thing. I'm satisfied and the matter is over. I'm moving on.
                          Best Regards,
                          HS

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                          • Ed S.
                            Extremely Frequent Poster
                            • August 6, 2014
                            • 1377

                            Re: My Vin Plate and Frame Number don't match?

                            I just spent the last 45 minutes reading all 102 comments on this thread and I'm as interested as anyone to know "what happened". Hugh, can you be a bit more specific, what exactly does "AA did the right thing". I know what that means to virtually everyone that replied to your initial question, what does it mean to you. What did AA do? Do you still own the car or not?

                            BTW - I too live in Virginia. This past summer I purchased a 1964 Corvette from a private owner that lived in Georgia. Georgia is not a "title state" - meaning Georgia does not issue titles for cars manufactured before 1985. When I purchased the car I had to get the owners original registration and a notarized bill of sale that included all kinds of info about the car, mileage, VIN, color, etc. I had to send these documents to the Virginia DMV in Richmond to get a title. Before DMV will issue a title for a car that came from a non-title state they do a search of State and Federal stolen car data bases for my VIN. If it comes up - no title. It did not come up, I got a title from VA with my original VIN, not a state issued VIN.

                            Anxious to hear from you
                            Ed

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