69 VIN Rivets

[Leif A.]

Re: 69 vin tag rivets

Brad,

IMHO I would continue to hang with all of us here at NCRS. Many, many of us are veterans of that little police action in Viet Nam and many (if not most) are baby boomers who grew up smoking dope, listening to rock 'n roll, chasing women and lusting after cars (Corvettes in particular). Each of us has a personality as individual as our finger prints...no one here intentionally posts to offend, only to attempt to assist. At the end of the day all we want to do is preserve these amazing cars and enjoy them (and, each other)...

[Paul O.]

Re: 69 vin tag rivets

Brad

Back to your question. The original rivets heads on 69 that I have viewed most were of a natural finish very late production 69 the black out process was like that of 1970 and later cars. Hence there was a difference later cars they were blacked out but that could vary from car to car. I should also have added that I think the original rivets were made from stainless steel and that paint would easily come off over time.

[Dick W.]

Re: 69 vin tag rivets

Brad

Back to your question. The original rivets heads on 69 that I have viewed most were of a natural finish very late production 69 the black out process was like that of 1970 and later cars. Hence there was a difference later cars they were blacked out but that could vary from car to car. I should also have added that I think the original rivets were made from stainless steel and that paint would easily come off over time.

They were stainless, paint did not stick to them very well. I probably have seen more painted than natural. But WTFDIK?

[Brad H.]

Re: 69 vin tag rivets

All,
I have re-read both the purple cover and latest TIM/JG and I can not find any definitive answer on this subject. That's the reason I posted the question. I appreciate very much all of your input. There seems to be some uncertainty concerning early 69 vs. late 69 cars. My car was bult in Oct 68 so it is a very early 69. I can still see the rivets with the pillar post cover on the car so that's why I asked. This car is well documented and I personally watched the VIN tag being removed. There was no other way to get to the corrosion under it. It was reattached with me watching using Rosette rivets. I have seen these rivets finished both ways for years at other NCRS events and Bloomington. I just didn't want to call attention to the VIN tag if the rivet color was wrong. I don't see how this discussion could have gone a totally different way. It is totally on the up and up and I have photos of the entire process. Probably painting them black is the best way to go but still no one seems to know for sure. Maybe it wasn't such a dumb question afterall. I have read about this in the archives and the same discussion happens there too. If someone knows what page this is on in the new JG, please tell me so I can look it up. I must just be overlooking it somehow.
Thanks a million to everyone who has responded to this post. I value your opinions and expertise very, very much!
Brad

[Paul O.]

Re: 69 vin tag rivets

They were stainless, paint did not stick to them very well. I probably have seen more painted than natural. But WTFDIK?

Got me Dickie you have seen many more then I have. I know less.

[Richard K.]

Re: 69 vin tag rivets

My '69 is a late production, Dec 1969 car, and had paint over the rivets from the time I purchased the car (Feb '75) until the time I began it's restoration. I had my painter remove the vin tag to repair advanced rust underneath, and return the tag to the pillar post with the rosette rivets that are pictured in a previous post. FWIW

[Joe L.]

Re: 69 vin tag rivets

Hi Brad,
Here's a picture of the vin tag rivets as I was disassembling my 71.
I'm not sure if the black-out sequence/timing changed from 69 to 71.
Regards,
Alan

Alan------


I think this is just a case of the paint having flaked off or rubbed off the rivet heads.

I believe the VIN plates were painted on the car with the rivet heads receiving paint just like the plates. I don't think the VIN plates were painted at the time they were embossed and, if they had been, I think that some paint would have flaked or chipped off as a result of the embossment.

[Richard F.]

Re: 69 vin tag rivets

Two more samples, a late 68 and a late 69. All rivets were mostly without paint, but all had bits of black paint that had not totally chipped away. Brad, keep in mind that none of us has an editor reading our replies to make sure we really said what we meant, and in the manner we meant to say it. I have yet to compose, hit the button, and not said to myself that I wish I had paid better attention in English grammar class. Keep asking your questions; there is an amazing amount of knowledge out there.

[Michael W.]

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Maybe it wasn't such a dumb question afterall.

No it wasn't. I learned a few new things today and hope I can remember them tomorrow.

[Mark D.]

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This organization has become an old gang, with large folks...

Hey!...you callin' me fat?

[Edward J.]

Re: 69 vin tag rivets

Hey!...you callin' me fat?

Mark, I tink be calling you " Phat".

[Edward M.]

Re: 69 vin tag rivets

But WTFDIK?

Ummm...Nothing.

Oh, was it a retorical question Dick.

Good to hear you are up and at it.

You are missed on the other side.

Best of luck and health to you and Reba.

[Edward J.]

Re: 69 vin tag rivets

Brad I am a retired Delta AMT Line Tech 40 plus years working in aviation. Former USMC worked on UH-1, CH-46, CH-53, A-4C and E's. Delta from DC8s to B777 and a Piper Dakota.

Paul, 40+ years - this must mean your a wing nut???

[Paul O.]

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Paul, 40+ years - this must mean your a wing nut???

I used to be a lean mean fighting machine but now I am just an old fat wing ding. To many Dairy Queen stops along the way. The UH-1 and A4C and E were at NAS South Weymouth, Mass. The only time I have ever driven down a beautiful tree lined residential street and a military instillation appeared.

[Dick W.]

Re: 69 vin tag rivets

Got me Dickie you have seen many more then I have. I know less.

Paul when we had the shop we replaced quite a few early C 3 pillar post moldings. Never made a special effort to look at the rivets on the judging field, too much like work. Only time I paid attention is if the duck didn't walk, talk, or quack like it should