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  • Rick A.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • July 31, 2002
    • 2147

    #16
    Re: Period inspection sticker on windshield NCRS deduction ?

    Mikey,

    Youse mean like the fine Judging Reference Manual, 8th Edition!?
    Rick Aleshire
    2016 Ebony C7R Z06 "ROSA"

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    • Tony S.
      NCRS Vice President, Director Region VII & 10
      • April 30, 1981
      • 968

      #17
      Re: Period inspection sticker on windshield NCRS deduction ?

      On a somewhat related matter, it's my understanding that "Brand X" takes a deduction if an NCRS sticker is on a Bloomington-judged car windshield. That strikes me as a "head shaker".
      Region VII Director (serving members in Arkansas, Kansas, Louisiana, Missouri, Oklahoma and Texas).
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      Member: 1965 and 1966 National Judging Teams
      Judging Chairman--Kansas City Chapter.
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      • Tony S.
        NCRS Vice President, Director Region VII & 10
        • April 30, 1981
        • 968

        #18
        Re: Period inspection sticker on windshield NCRS deduction ?

        Originally posted by Jim Durham (8797)
        With that kind of thinking, license plates on the car should be subject to a deduction as well.
        Jim, this was a point of discussion at the NCRS judging retreat early this year in Dallas. We discussed all types of stickers on glass. NCRS stickers are allowed because that's how we "wrote the rules". If someone wants to put a sticker on the glass of his car, I'd suggest that he ask the national team leader for that particular year car.
        Region VII Director (serving members in Arkansas, Kansas, Louisiana, Missouri, Oklahoma and Texas).
        Original member of the Kansas City Chapter, est'd 07/11/1982.
        Member: 1965 and 1966 National Judging Teams
        Judging Chairman--Kansas City Chapter.
        Co-Editor of the 1965 TIM and JG, 6th and 7th editions.

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        • Michael J.
          Extremely Frequent Poster
          • January 26, 2009
          • 7072

          #19
          Re: Period inspection sticker on windshield NCRS deduction ?

          My point was that those few words are not as all encompassing and definitive as you think to define any possible situation, are they?
          Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New Mexico

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          • Jim D.
            Extremely Frequent Poster
            • June 30, 1985
            • 2882

            #20
            Re: Period inspection sticker on windshield NCRS deduction ?

            Originally posted by Tom Hendricks (23758)
            I would look at it this way. A license plate, or plates makes the car legal to drive. The reproduction sticker does not.
            What if the state that the car is licensed in requires an inspection sticker in order to be legal to drive. Several states have that requirement. And then, who's the sticker expert that can tell a real vs. reproduction sticker. Either way, the car never left the factory that way, plates or stickers.

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            • Patrick H.
              Beyond Control Poster
              • November 30, 1989
              • 11608

              #21
              Re: Period inspection sticker on windshield NCRS deduction ?

              Originally posted by Tony Stein (4600)
              On a somewhat related matter, it's my understanding that "Brand X" takes a deduction if an NCRS sticker is on a Bloomington-judged car windshield. That strikes me as a "head shaker".
              I've never done that as a Brand X judge. Perhaps others do, but not me.
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              • Michael J.
                Extremely Frequent Poster
                • January 26, 2009
                • 7072

                #22
                Re: Period inspection sticker on windshield NCRS deduction ?

                True, it never left the factory that way, but that is not the standard. The 8th Edition JRM (as some have pointed out) states: " Presentation for judging is to be in the condition normally associated with that of a Corvette which has undergone the then-current standard Chevrolet Dealer New Car Preparation for delivery to a purchaser, exclusive of any dealer or purchaser inspired additions, deletions, or changes". That is a bit vague, obviously, as we are discussing so many things on this TDB around what that means, but back to the original question, would an inspection sticker qualify as part of the dealer prep? Seems like in some states yes, some no.
                Last edited by Michael J.; November 25, 2013, 05:25 PM.
                Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New Mexico

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                • Steven B.
                  Extremely Frequent Poster
                  • June 30, 1982
                  • 3976

                  #23
                  Re: Period inspection sticker on windshield NCRS deduction ?

                  Another complication; IF inspection stickers are present and points deducted if present and a state currently (or historically) requires them to be on the road then they cannot be driven to a judging event for points, PV---. Hmmmmmmm.

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                  • Michael J.
                    Extremely Frequent Poster
                    • January 26, 2009
                    • 7072

                    #24
                    Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New Mexico

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                    • Terry M.
                      Beyond Control Poster
                      • September 30, 1980
                      • 15573

                      #25
                      Re: Period inspection sticker on windshield NCRS deduction ?

                      Originally posted by Michael Johnson (49879)
                      I guess this whole discussion also gets back to what is the standard? Is it as it left the factory, as it was delivered to the dealer for sale, or as it was delivered to the first customer at sale. Dealer added accessories are not allowed (like the infamous California six tail lights) are they?
                      The NCRS standard is "as delivered to the first owner with normal new car dealer preperation without owner or dealer inspired additions or delitions." That is not word for word, but it as close as I can get off the top of my head. There has been, and no doubt will continue to be debate as to what constitutes "normal new car dealer preperation" There actually was a dealer instruction manual that told them what to do, but it too has vauge wording and exterior items that were shipped inside the car changed from year to year. It would have been impossible for any manual to cover every circumstance.

                      Use caution: That is not exactly the standard of Bloomington Gold. Or at least it wasn't a decade ago when John Woods and I tought a class there on the differences and similarities between NCRS and Bloomington Gold.

                      The addition of state inspection stickers varries by state, and perhaps even municipality. So that whole area is a slippery slope. The whole matter of inspection stickers will not merrit more than a point or two deduction, and while every point does count if you have to be that close to the margins you need to work at some other things.
                      Terry

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                      • Lawrence M.
                        Very Frequent User
                        • January 31, 1995
                        • 404

                        #26
                        Re: Period inspection sticker on windshield NCRS deduction ?

                        Originally posted by Tony Stein (4600)
                        On a somewhat related matter, it's my understanding that "Brand X" takes a deduction if an NCRS sticker is on a Bloomington-judged car windshield. That strikes me as a "head shaker".
                        I did not receive a deduction for my NCRS sticker at the 2010 Bloomington Gold when my 69 was judged.
                        Larry
                        2002 Z51 Convertible
                        1969 L46 Convertible

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                        • Steven B.
                          Extremely Frequent Poster
                          • June 30, 1982
                          • 3976

                          #27
                          Re: Period inspection sticker on windshield NCRS deduction ?

                          Yep, seems like something we ought to just let go---

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                          • Brian M.
                            Extremely Frequent Poster
                            • January 31, 1997
                            • 1837

                            #28
                            Re: Period inspection sticker on windshield NCRS deduction ?

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                            • Rob M.
                              NCRS IT Developer
                              • January 1, 2004
                              • 12695

                              #29
                              Re: Period inspection sticker on windshield NCRS deduction ?

                              I think the NCRS is deducting for things missing (e.g. with the 6 tail lights some fiber glass is missing due to the holes drilled for the lights and deduct accordingly), in case of window sticker addition nothing would be missing, right?
                              Rob.

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                              • Tony S.
                                NCRS Vice President, Director Region VII & 10
                                • April 30, 1981
                                • 968

                                #30
                                Re: Period inspection sticker on windshield NCRS deduction ?

                                Rob, when judging we follow the CDCIF method of evaluating a component's originality (unless a std. deduct applies). Those initials stand for configuration, date, completeness, installation and finish. If a deduction is taken, at least one of these would have to apply.
                                Region VII Director (serving members in Arkansas, Kansas, Louisiana, Missouri, Oklahoma and Texas).
                                Original member of the Kansas City Chapter, est'd 07/11/1982.
                                Member: 1965 and 1966 National Judging Teams
                                Judging Chairman--Kansas City Chapter.
                                Co-Editor of the 1965 TIM and JG, 6th and 7th editions.

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