ONE or TWO? 1967 small block C60 RH inner fender Hose Clip/Hose Bracket (GM 3841336)

[Scott S.]

1967 small block with C60

The first place I see the RH inner fender Hose Clip called out is on UPC C60-D3 (Item 8, GM 3841336). It is mounted (vertically) 3.50" back from the rear edge of the dust shield, and 5.25" down from the top of the inner fender.

This same Hose Clip is next called out on C60-D7, referencing existing dimples (for drilling) on the "forward set" (View E, RPO L36) and existing dimples for the "rearward set" (View A). The main drawing shows TWO Hose clips installed.

Does a 1967 small block with C60 use BOTH Hose Clips?


(Note: The same Hose Clip is called out a 3rd time, UPC L36-A4, only ONE Hose Clip shown in the main drawing for the big block)

[John H.]

Re: ONE or TWO? 1967 small block C60 RH inner fender Hose Clip/Hose Bracket (GM 38413

Does a 1967 small block with C60 use BOTH Hose Clips?

Scott -

Nope, just uses one.

[Scott S.]

Re: ONE or TWO? 1967 small block C60 RH inner fender Hose Clip/Hose Bracket (GM 38413

Scott -

Nope, just uses one.

Thank you!

[Michael M.]

Re: ONE or TWO? 1967 small block C60 RH inner fender Hose Clip/Hose Bracket (GM 38413

My 65 has two but don`t know a thing in the world about a 67. Have pictures if needed. Thanks Mike

[Wayne M.]

Re: ONE or TWO? 1967 small block C60 RH inner fender Hose Clip/Hose Bracket (GM 38413

My 65 has two but don`t know a thing in the world about a 67. Have pictures if needed. Thanks Mike

Agree for the '65, Mike -- my AIM shows two brackets total; the one on C60 D3 is for the coolant pair of hoses ( but dimensions are different than Scott shows for '67). The bracket on UPC C60 sht. D6 is located by dimples and is holds the pair of freon hoses.

[Scott S.]

Re: ONE or TWO? 1967 small block C60 RH inner fender Hose Clip/Hose Bracket (GM 38413

Mike and Wayne, thanks for the posts. I compared the 1965 (and 1966) AIMs to the 1967 AIM (see below). The 1965 seems clear, showing one clip for the Heater Hoses (C60-D3, no Refrigerant hoses shown) and one clip for the Refrigerant Hoses (C60-D6, no Heater hoses shown).




The 1965-1967 AIMs show the same parts being used, only difference is the location change from 1965 to 1966-67:

1965:
Hose Clip (C60-D3, Item 8, 3841336)
Bolt x2 (C60-D3, Item 6, 120706)
Nut x2 (C60-D3, Item 7, 271172)


distance from center of top hole to center of bottom hole

Function: Retainer, two Heater Hoses (hoses terminating at front of engine)


1966:
Hose Clip (C60-D3, Item 8, 3841336)
Bolt x2 (C60-D3, Item 6, 120706)
Nut x2 (C60-D3, Item 7, 271172)


distance from center of top hole to center of bottom hole

Function: Retainer, two Heater Hoses (hoses terminating at front of engine)


1967:
Hose Clip (C60-D3, Item 8, 3841336)
Bolt x2 (C60-D3, Item 6, 120706)
Nut x2 (C60-D3, Item 7, 271172)


distance from center of top hole to center of bottom hole

Function: Retainer, two Heater Hoses (hoses terminating at front of engine)


(RPO L36 on C60-D4 shows Refrigerant Hoses going through Clip 3841336 located near the front of the Compressor, with the Heater Hoses routed inboard of the Compressor, going through a clip mounted to the rear of the Compressor)

Attachment 1: 1965 C60-D3 (pdf)
Attachment 2: 1966 C60-D3 (pdf)
Attachment 3: 1967 C60-D3 (pdf)
Attachment 4: Picture, Hose Clip 3481336 that was on the car

[Scott S.]

Re: ONE or TWO? 1967 small block C60 RH inner fender Hose Clip/Hose Bracket (GM 38413

On page C60-D6 (1965-66) and C60-D7 (1967), the hoses going through the Clip are the Refrigerant Hoses (to Condenser and Reciever/Drier), and the Heater Hoses no longer go through the clip, but disappear near the back of the Compressor.

Attachment 1: 1965 C60-D6 (pdf)
Attachment 2: 1966 C60-D6 (pdf)
Attachment 3: 1967 C60-D7 (pdf)
Attachment 4: Picture, recently purchased 1963-67 Hose Clip 3481336 (vintage/used)

[Scott S.]

Re: ONE or TWO? 1967 small block C60 RH inner fender Hose Clip/Hose Bracket (GM 38413

A few comparison pics of the Hose Clips are posted below.

There was only ONE clip on my car, but the front RH of the car had repairs to body damage sometime around 1971, so I’m not sure what was original (e.g., inner fender) and what’s not.

Since I thought I required two hose clips, I bought a used "original" about a week ago, to go with the one that was on the car. The example that was on the car is sort of bent like it was formed to hold two hoses, while the recently purchased “original” (with minor pitting to match my first one ) is shaped more like the Repro examples sold by the vendors. Neither hose clip has holes separated by 3.13” (measured center-to-center).

Neither clip looks like it could hold more than two hoses. If there is only one Clip for 1966-67, which two hoses does it hold? And what holds the other two hoses?

[Michael M.]

Re: ONE or TWO? 1967 small block C60 RH inner fender Hose Clip/Hose Bracket (GM 38413

Heres a couple of pics of my 65. Remember this is a 65 but your pics in the AIM look just like mine. Also John had a reason for say only one so I would question him again. He has a lot more knowledge on this than I will ever have. My hole centers are 3.13 as best that can be measured. These clamps can be spread and mashed together to conform so I would not worry about them not measuring correctly until I installed them. These are LICS clamps. Wayne probably has pics of originals also. I don`t know if this is any help or not but maybe a judge will jump in this discussion. My car is not a judged car and won`t ever be. Thanks Mike

[Ronald L.]

Re: ONE or TWO? 1967 small block C60 RH inner fender Hose Clip/Hose Bracket (GM 38413

What was the finish on the original clips?

Black phos?

Black Paint - Were these thrown in a bin and slosh painted so they'd have nicks and evidence in the paint of touching adjacent parts? i.e. I just don't see someone racking these and making the paint class A perfect!


Or powder coat as the repro seems to have? (not)

[Scott S.]

Re: ONE or TWO? 1967 small block C60 RH inner fender Hose Clip/Hose Bracket (GM 38413

Heres a couple of pics of my 65. Remember this is a 65 but your pics in the AIM look just like mine. Also John had a reason for say only one so I would question him again. He has a lot more knowledge on this than I will ever have. My hole centers are 3.13 as best that can be measured. These clamps can be spread and mashed together to conform so I would not worry about them not measuring correctly until I installed them. These are LICS clamps. Wayne probably has pics of originals also. I don`t know if this is any help or not but maybe a judge will jump in this discussion. My car is not a judged car and won`t ever be. Thanks Mike

Mike, thanks very much for the pictures. I have read in the archives that there was a re-routing of hoses at some point during the 1966 model year. Although it seems unlikely, it is possible that the 1966-67 AIM was not updated to reflect the change.

Those hose clips are only large enough to retain two hoses, and it seems that the Refrigerant hoses going to the condenser and receiver/drier must travel along the inner fender, and therefore through a hose clip. In that case, I don't know what retains the two Heater hoses. The L-36 page in the AIM may give a clue as to what to do with the Heater hoses, if it's applicable to the small block. It looks like there is a clip attached to the back of the A6 Compressor and then the Heater hoses route inboard of the Compressor on their way to the front of the engine. I don't know why this wouldn't work for a small block too, I just haven't read anything about this in the archives regarding a '67 small block and I don't recall any other examples in the AIM where a configuration was called out under an Option (like L36) that applied to the "standard" set-up, but was not mentioned in the standard configuration section.

(John or Wayne, if you see this, please elaborate!)

I located some other pictures that I had saved on my computer a while back for reference, judging by the STV valve on the evaporator box, these are pictures of a '65 or '66. I have not found any pictures of the '67 set-up yet.

[Scott S.]

Re: ONE or TWO? 1967 small block C60 RH inner fender Hose Clip/Hose Bracket (GM 38413

What was the finish on the original clips?

Black phos?

Black Paint - Were these thrown in a bin and slosh painted so they'd have nicks and evidence in the paint of touching adjacent parts?

Good question Ron, I need to find this out too. Mine is (are) bare metal at the moment, and I'm fairly certain they weren't like that from the factory

[Rich P.]

Re: ONE or TWO? 1967 small block C60 RH inner fender Hose Clip/Hose Bracket (GM 38413

Brackets were dip painted black. If you are fortunate you will be able to see the AS stamping on the bracket. The 65 you show Scott is a 65 I was assembeling 2 years ago. Original fender skirt and original holes for the brackets.

Rich

[Kirk M.]

Re: ONE or TWO? 1967 small block C60 RH inner fender Hose Clip/Hose Bracket (GM 38413

My 67 has two clamps. One for the upper coolant hoses running forward and one for the lower heater hoses running around the compressor. Just like in the second picture in the post prior to this. Couldn't find a clear picture of it on mine.


Kirk

[Michael M.]

Re: ONE or TWO? 1967 small block C60 RH inner fender Hose Clip/Hose Bracket (GM 38413

Scott the 2 pictures you had saved and posted are from a 65 via the code on the hose I think. Also it had the STV valve and not a later model. I wonder which clamp is correct on the a/c car in respect to the T for the tank. Mine came as a kit and use the rings on the firewall but the whittic syle on the T. I know I mispelled Whittick or however it spells. Mike