Why the blurred columns???

[Ronald L.]

Re: Why the blurred columns???

Maybe FOIA can help, I 'm sure that one was thought out too.

[Dale C.]

Re: Why the blurred columns???

I did that for a reason. Send me something and I'll tell you. Just kidding. Only the young guys could read it and us old timers couldn't or maybe wouldn't.

[Kenneth H.]

Re: Why the blurred columns???

So, I own a beat-up small block '67 whose only redeeming quality is that it has its original build sheet. I'm an unscrupulous individual who wants to make some money on the car by adding a bunch of cubic inches and appropriately modifying the rest of the car to make it appear as an original high horse big block '67. I have a friend who is also unscrupulous, and knows how to fake build sheets, and is creating the "original" document for my high horse 'vette.

Now that I know from this discussion what the NCRS is going to use to verify these "original" documents (Ident nos. and Invoice nos.), I'll make sure that my friend copies those numbers from the original bulid sheet onto the new, aged "original" document.

Some things are better left unsaid.

Thanks.

[Mark D.]

Re: Why the blurred columns???

Now that I know from this discussion what the NCRS is going to use to verify these "original" documents (Ident nos. and Invoice nos.), I'll make sure that my friend copies those numbers from the original bulid sheet onto the new, aged "original" document.

I'll bet the bad guys had that figured out a long time ago and this thread won't give them any more advantage.

I say keep the columns blurred and let only a select few see that info. As a matter of fact, it would probably be worthwhile to pay an outside accounting firm to disseminate the info.

[Kenneth H.]

Re: Why the blurred columns???

Yes Mark, you're probably right. But how does this affect the NCRS document verification service. Does this mean that forged documents can pass muster and be "verified", if these items (Ident Nos, Invoice Nos, etc) were copied from the "original" build sheet to the new "original" build sheet (assuming that the forger was competent concerning the use of correct paper, fonts, ink and any other items reviewed)?

Thanks.

[Tom H.]

Re: Why the blurred columns???

Yes Mark, you're probably right. But how does this affect the NCRS document verification service. Does this mean that forged documents can pass muster and be "verified", if these items (Ident Nos, Invoice Nos, etc) were copied from the "original" build sheet to the new "original" build sheet (assuming that the forger was competent concerning the use of correct paper, fonts, ink and any other items reviewed)?

Thanks.

Ken. One thing for sure. The bad guys will always be able to do it. If they can make fake money, bogus Corvette docs are a breeze !!

Heck, a real savy bad guy could get the bogus docs verified and pay for the service with fake money !!

[Mark D.]

Re: Why the blurred columns???

Does this mean that forged documents can pass muster and be "verified", if these items (Ident Nos, Invoice Nos, etc) were copied from the "original" build sheet to the new "original" build sheet (assuming that the forger was competent concerning the use of correct paper, fonts, ink and any other items reviewed)?

Regarding the verification service that NCRS provides:

This blurring, I think, gives the organization an advantage if one were to attempt to pass off fake window stickers without knowing the original ident and order numbers. I think that is a good thing for the members.

I think if one were to attempt to forge a tank sticker, that may be tough even if they know the original numbers. That's a good thing for the members.

As for trying a fake window sticker with the advantage of having original order and ident numbers, it could probably be done. If that's the case, that confirms it ain't a perfect world. Get's back to due diligence on the part of the buyer.

[Stan E.]

Re: Why the blurred columns???

If the civil side of the pig shop would provide the info we need,for a fee, it would put a stop to the fraud. But being public servants they are evil and an enemy of the people. Neaver had a cop help me with anything. I even offered to give a substantial contribuation to the PBA. stan 19259

[Don H.]

Re: Why the blurred columns???

If the civil side of the pig shop would provide the info we need,for a fee, it would put a stop to the fraud. But being public servants they are evil and an enemy of the people. Neaver had a cop help me with anything. I even offered to give a substantial contribuation to the PBA. stan 19259

Stan19259-
sure you did.
your tax dollars paid into their pensions is support enough. On behalf of all police everywhere, thanks for your support and best wishes.

[Stan E.]

Re: Why the blurred columns???

NCRS has the option list of cars that have been judged on the national level. Why can't they release the information that we purchased from ourselves when they know our cars options?

[Michael W.]

Re: Why the blurred columns???

NCRS has the option list of cars that have been judged on the national level. Why can't they release the information that we purchased from ourselves when they know our cars options?

They do?

[Dale C.]

Re: Why the blurred columns???

What if the info is incorrect, as can happen? Then NCRS discredits your machine's paperwork, which maybe correct. It's the unintended consequence that get you into hot water when not all truth is told. I remember a lawyer once told me going into a deposition "always just tell the truth, and if you can't remember just say you have go to the bathroom." I hope we don't have too many of them looking in tonite.
Dale

[Dennis O.]

Re: Why the blurred columns???

This is gonna be a b*tch to administrate. Hmm, is King Solomon on the NCRS board?

For my part, with the aforementioned +25 year owned small blocks with equipment that no one in their right mind would have replaced to make them different than how they came from the factory, I have to say I would love to have this information to have with my cars. It would give me a "warm fuzzy". I can, however see the other side of the argument with people using this to try to authenticate bogus cars. Now I think I know why I am in NCRS for information only, and don't go for the judging thing. IT'S A HOBBY!!

[Dale C.]

Re: Why the blurred columns???

Maybe the guy blurring the columns is blurring my Driveline postal address.

[Dale C.]

Re: Why the blurred columns???

Dennis

I wonder if the columns will be revealed in the Book of the Great White Throne known only to the NCRS?

Dale