Why the blurred columns???

[Keith B.]

In the most recent Restorer there is an article on the corvette shipping data. In the article it shows seven columns of information and blur all the information in the final three. It is indicated by Mark Lincoln that they can confirm or deny the legitimacy of an original document by the last three columns. As I look at my tank sticker, there are two items that would could identify my car; the ident. number and the order number. The only other information would be the option list that is associated with my car. Is that one additional column the key that unlocks the hobby? Is this the holy grail that identifies my car's options in a coded system? Is this information not being shown because once the option data is released all the fake cars that have been certified over the years will be worthless? Probably not.... but it is nice to dream about it.

[Ronald L.]

Re: Why the blurred columns???

More like probably is! And I agree, all those cars that gained 100 cu in after leaving St Louis, knock offs, and side pipes are no longer collectible

[Joe L.]

Re: Why the blurred columns???

In the most recent Restorer there is an article on the corvette shipping data. In the article it shows seven columns of information and blur all the information in the final three. It is indicated by Mark Lincoln that they can confirm or deny the legitimacy of an original document by the last three columns. As I look at my tank sticker, there are two items that would could identify my car; the ident. number and the order number. The only other information would be the option list that is associated with my car. Is that one additional column the key that unlocks the hobby? Is this the holy grail that identifies my car's options in a coded system? Is this information not being shown because once the option data is released all the fake cars that have been certified over the years will be worthless? Probably not.... but it is nice to dream about it.

Keith------


I don't think the information in those columns identifies the options originally installed on the car.

[Ray G.]

Re: Why the blurred columns???

In the most recent Restorer there is an article on the corvette shipping data. In the article it shows seven columns of information and blur all the information in the final three. It is indicated by Mark Lincoln that they can confirm or deny the legitimacy of an original document by the last three columns. As I look at my tank sticker, there are two items that would could identify my car; the ident. number and the order number. The only other information would be the option list that is associated with my car. Is that one additional column the key that unlocks the hobby? Is this the holy grail that identifies my car's options in a coded system? Is this information not being shown because once the option data is released all the fake cars that have been certified over the years will be worthless? Probably not.... but it is nice to dream about it.

Hello Keith;
Does Mark Lincoln address your question in the forth paragraph by writing;
"The last three columns contain production control numbers, which NCRS chooses to keep confidential .. etc" ?
Ray

[Steve B.]

Re: Why the blurred columns???

Keith,
I was thinking the same thing. My guess is that the columns were blurred so that the people who provide the phoney docs do not get access to it and make it tougher to tell real from fake.

[Gene M.]

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Hello Keith;
Does Mark Lincoln address your question in the forth paragraph by writing;
"The last three columns contain production control numbers, which NCRS chooses to keep confidential .. etc" ?
Ray

Why? So NCRS officers can charge the members for the information again? As I see it the guys that paid their 40 bucks should have gotten all the information available. What right do the officers have to "hold back" information?

In fact why is the entire list of information not published in the Restorer in installments. I'm sure many members would do this work for FREE and eliminate any need to collect money for information that was generated by GM.

[Terry M.]

Re: Why the blurred columns???

Why? So NCRS officers can charge the members for the information again? As I see it the guys that paid their 40 bucks should have gotten all the information available. What right do the officers have to "hold back" information?

In fact why is the entire list of information not published in the Restorer in installments. I'm sure many members would do this work for FREE and eliminate any need to collect money for information that was generated by GM.

Gene,

I think Steve provided the answer in his post three minutes after you asked.

Oh and Gene I am sure you didn't mean to imply the officers are personally profiting from this, but your language sure makes it sound that way. If the money from this information didn't come to NCRS from this it would have to come from something else -- like our dues.

[Gene M.]

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Terry,
I in no way infer any officers profit from the charges. Sorry you took it that way. I intend no attack on any body. I just want to see open and free exchange of history that is available. NCRS officers do have control over the data GM shared with NCRS and have attached a cost/price to it in order for members to obtain it. Not right.

I just feel that NCRS should freely share with all it's members any information on our Corvettes free of charge and all of it. I see no reason to hide data GM provided. After all GM has generated the data not NCRS.

I have always been a proponent of sharing any information pertaining to Corvettes free of charge. Be it judging knowledge, fabrication techniques or ways to perform restoration ......FREE.

After all this is a hobby not a business.

[Dennis O.]

Re: Why the blurred columns???

Keith,
I was thinking the same thing. My guess is that the columns were blurred so that the people who provide the phoney docs do not get access to it and make it tougher to tell real from fake.

I may be kinda stupid, but please explain to me how this would work. How can providing MORE information make it "tougher to tell real from fake"? Doesn't make sense to me.

[Dennis O.]

Re: Why the blurred columns???

Hello Keith;
Does Mark Lincoln address your question in the forth paragraph by writing;
"The last three columns contain production control numbers, which NCRS chooses to keep confidential .. etc" ?
Ray

My previous response seems to have gotten lost in the shuffle. It was a response to Steve's post, and was essentially this :

I may be kinda stupid, but please explain to me how this would work. How can providing MORE information make it "tougher to tell real from fake"? Doesn't make sense to me.

[Joe L.]

Re: Why the blurred columns???

My previous response seems to have gotten lost in the shuffle. It was a response to Steve's post, and was essentially this :

I may be kinda stupid, but please explain to me how this would work. How can providing MORE information make it "tougher to tell real from fake"? Doesn't make sense to me.

Dennis-----


Simple. Folks could use the information to make up more "factually and historically correct" bogus documents.

[Steve B.]

Re: Why the blurred columns???

Dennis-----


Simple. Folks could use the information to make up more "factually and historically correct" bogus documents.

Joe, thanks for agreeing with me. I am sure that there are nuances to those codes and if in the wrong hands, it would then become virtually impossible to tell "live from memorex" I still would love to know what those columns represent though

[Terry M.]

Re: Why the blurred columns???

Terry,
I in no way infer any officers profit from the charges. Sorry you took it that way. I intend no attack on any body. I just want to see open and free exchange of history that is available. NCRS officers do have control over the data GM shared with NCRS and have attached a cost/price to it in order for members to obtain it. Not right.

I just feel that NCRS should freely share with all it's members any information on our Corvettes free of charge and all of it. I see no reason to hide data GM provided. After all GM has generated the data not NCRS.

I have always been a proponent of sharing any information pertaining to Corvettes free of charge. Be it judging knowledge, fabrication techniques or ways to perform restoration ......FREE.

After all this is a hobby not a business.

And you are not at all concerned that with the blurred information those with nefarious intent could more easily generate counterfeit Corvettes?

You and I may be hobbyists, but not all of us are, and a good number of people make their living from Corvette connected businesses, and some of those people are not as honest as we are -- so "After all this is a hobby not a business." only works for some of us. Not all of those who make money (even if not a living) from Corvette related activities have nefarious intent -- but enough who post on this site seem concerned about authenticity that it makes one wonder.

I am happy the club I belong to is concerned enough about fraudulent activity that they have taken steps to protect the integrity of the data. I am also disappointed that someone who has been in this club as long as you just "don't get it."

[Michael F.]

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I would like to know what thy represent also, but don't need/want to see them. I am fortunate that I have tank sticker and pop.

[Scott S.]

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I just had a chance to look at the new Restorer today, and the page chosen for the article just happens to be January 11th production. That's the day my car was made, so I scanned down the list of VINs and there she was, 07873

It would be great to receive a copy of this kind of real GM documentation, to go along with the NCRS Shipping Data Report.