Identifying Correct PF 29 and A212CW

[Dave S.]

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While we started with the PF 29, the PF 25 followed this , has anyone seen a black filter as the original installed filter, opinions???

This should be a good place to start.

[Ronald L.]

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Dave, you scared everyone off with that filter (the black one with white label), tell us more about it???

[Terry M.]

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Dave, you scared everyone off with that filter (the black one with white label), tell us more about it???

OK you guys are nibbling at the edges. Let's take a whole bite of the apple. How about this one?

And no, these are not black & white pictures.

[Mike G.]

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here is a real a212cw

[Terry M.]

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here is a real a212cw

Real from when? It is not a factory installed air filter for any Corvette.

[Mike G.]

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the first one is a repop but the last 3 i was told was correct.

[Terry M.]

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the first one is a repop but the last 3 i was told was correct.

Mike,
For years we have been trying to pin down OEM oil and air filters based on what was available over the counter. We have examined date codes on boxes and the details of their contents ad nausium. All along we ignored the possibility that assembly installed air and oil filters were different than was was available in SERVICE. My contention is the assembly line installed oil and air filters (and perhaps some other items like PCV valves) were different than SERVICE items so that the warrantee enforcers could determine if the vehicle was properly maintained. In short, to be blunt, my contention is we have been barking up the wrong tree for decades.

[Ronald L.]

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I like that PF25! What is the part number?

Reproduction 212 in an AC box?


Where is the aspirin?

Terry - we need to see what you ahve stored away in that garage!

[Mike G.]

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good to know. i did not know they did that back then. i know they did it on later years. i have the original oil filter, air filter and wiper blades off of my 86 pace car. they were removed from the car when new. i also have the tires from that car with 10k miles on them. if i ever buy another new one i will do the same thing for it.

[William C.]

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I would imagine that volume would have had an impact as much as anything. Typical practice for over the counter sales parts would be to send a batch from the oem line to the packaging dept for single-box packaging. When the production application was ended, the whole process would have been performed on a low-volume setup, which may or may not have duplicated exactly the original tooling, especially if the oem process was a highly integrated mechanized operation. My experience was with the wiring stuff, but that is the method we used, as long as the current production parts carried the correct part number, they were shuttled off to a service packaging operation. Once high volume production ended all bets were off and a low volume setup was used.

[Ronald L.]

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Terry,
So well said. I absolutely agree with this ... up to the warranty.

I'm not in a position to disagree, I don't think they were thinking this far ahead in 1970 though, and...

AC SP had a sale and marketing arm, their job was to sell service parts.

Service parts had a distinguishing look, or packaging, or both.


These details are reflected on a series of documents called prints, oil filter prints, air filter prints.

Where oh where is that old microfiche drawer???

[Terry M.]

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Terry,
So well said. I absolutely agree with this ... up to the warranty.

I'm not in a position to disagree, I don't think they were thinking this far ahead in 1970 though, and...

AC SP had a sale and marketing arm, their job was to sell service parts.

Service parts had a distinguishing look, or packaging, or both.


These details are reflected on a series of documents called prints, oil filter prints, air filter prints.

Where oh where is that old microfiche drawer???

Ron help me out here. All my research is not complete -- and the garage has nothign to do with that research. Do you have a 1970 Camaro AIM? What is the part number for the oil filter?

[Mike G.]

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Terry, now that we are on the subject what about this? were the originals really purple? i hope so because i have a few of these.

[Terry M.]

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good to know. i did not know they did that back then. i know they did it on later years. i have the original oil filter, air filter and wiper blades off of my 86 pace car. they were removed from the car when new. i also have the tires from that car with 10k miles on them. if i ever buy another new one i will do the same thing for it.

I am not 100% sure they did that in 1970, but for years I have had two old wrenches tell me about the black and white oil filters. The second generation Camaro guys have two examples from different cars. And how can we ignore the air filter from the 300 or 400 mile 1972 that was at last year's nationals? Back when I was team leader I saw two other 1972s with the same air filter. And then one of those 1970 Camaros shows up with what looks like the same AC212CW. None of this is in my garage. And of course my opinion counts for squat in the bigger scheme of things.

I did with my 2008 what you did with you Pace Car. FWIW: My daughters 2006 Malibu Maxx had a different assembly line oil filter than the SERVICE part too. I am mo0re and more strongly of the opinion they did that going way back.

[Terry M.]

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I'll stick to oil and air filters. Someone else can blaze that trail.