Identifying Correct PF 29 and A212CW

[Jeff P.]

Received a Top Flight with my 68 Yesterday at Rons Resteration in Fitchburg Ma. Thought I did my homework regarding the correct NOS PF 29 oil filter, "NOT" and the correct A212CW air filter "NOT". I was told there is embossed numbers on the bottom of the filter which I did not have. On my air filter ,I was told the letters were too small. Could I bother some members for correct pics? Thank you in advance, Jeff

[Mark D.]

Re: Identifying Correct PF 29 and A212CW

I would not expect to see embossing on a PF29. I would on a 1969 PF25.

Mark

[Steve B.]

Re: Identifying Correct PF 29 and A212CW

The 212CW air filters were embossed from 65/67. I believe that they were silkscreened after that.

[Dave S.]

Re: Identifying Correct PF 29 and A212CW

Received a Top Flight with my 68 Yesterday at Rons Resteration in Fitchburg Ma. Thought I did my homework regarding the correct NOS PF 29 oil filter, "NOT" and the correct A212CW air filter "NOT". I was told there is embossed numbers on the bottom of the filter which I did not have. On my air filter ,I was told the letters were too small. Could I bother some members for correct pics? Thank you in advance, Jeff

Jeff,
As Mark states there was never embossing on any PF-29 oil filter. Real PF-29's are easy to detect over the reproductions as the originals have poor quality silkscreening. I assume you have a 1968 which would mean the mesh on your AC 212 CW would be the "expanded metal" style and would be at 45 degrees to the top/bottom of the element. If I can find a photo of the solkcsreening I'll post it.

[Ronald L.]

Re: Identifying Correct PF 29 and A212CW

Diagonal wire and printed INK on the AC 212 for 1968 correct? Expanded metal was later 1970-72.

[Dave S.]

Re: Identifying Correct PF 29 and A212CW

Diagonal wire and printed INK on the AC 212 for 1968 correct? Expanded metal was later 1970-72.

Ron,
We may be saying the same thing. I believe 1970 and up was a chicken wire that was horizontal and vertical and was a very thin wire. I'm calling expanded metal something that was punched and was installed on the bias on AC 212's of the 66 to 69 era.

[Ronald L.]

Re: Identifying Correct PF 29 and A212CW

Dave, the 65-67 was a round wire that was woven. If you look close at some of the reproductions, they are (not really woven).

As you know, I've been looking closely at what followed 68, 68, 70 relative to the INK stamped versions, yet to see originals.

As a manufacturing technology when I hear punched, I think of the post 72 version which was a flat thin piece of metal punched with slits, then stretched, expanded to get the diagonal look.

Our minds are on the same parts with different words...

[Dave S.]

Re: Identifying Correct PF 29 and A212CW

Dave, the 65-67 was a round wire that was woven. If you look close at some of the reproductions, they are (not really woven).

As you know, I've been looking closely at what followed 68, 68, 70 relative to the INK stamped versions, yet to see originals.

As a manufacturing technology when I hear punched, I think of the post 72 version which was a flat thin piece of metal punched with slits, then stretched, expanded to get the diagonal look.

Our minds are on the same parts with different words...

I hope Mark chimes in on this as we have discussed this several times in earlier threads. My research indicates that 68/69 (I'm not a mid year guy on this subject) was the diagonal punched mesh. I have seen many original 70 and up 212's and 329C's that are the horizontal/vertical thin wire mesh. There is quite a bit of discussion on this in the archives. Lets see how others describe these.

[Don G.]

Re: Identifying Correct PF 29 and A212CW

Jeff

I support what others have said in that the PF-29 filters were not embossed and early PF-25's were embossed. Expanded metal on air filters did not appear until mid to late seventies. The square mesh was used at least through 1975 and probably somewhat later.

[Grant W.]

Re: Identifying Correct PF 29 and A212CW

Received a Top Flight with my 68 Yesterday at Rons Resteration in Fitchburg Ma. Thought I did my homework regarding the correct NOS PF 29 oil filter, "NOT" and the correct A212CW air filter "NOT". I was told there is embossed numbers on the bottom of the filter which I did not have. On my air filter ,I was told the letters were too small. Could I bother some members for correct pics? Thank you in advance, Jeff

Hi Jeff
Pics 1 to 5 showing a repop vs original On the bottom is a center round form. Original is a tad longer.
Single pic is of another PF 29 and slopply ink printing and on the top of the rim there is missing paint.
Thanks Grant

[Grant W.]

Re: Identifying Correct PF 29 and A212CW

Last 2 pics.

[Jeff P.]

Re: Identifying Correct PF 29 and A212CW

Thank you all. The judge was great,but he stated there was embossed numbers. From the look of Grants pictures I do have the correct oil filters.I will print this and bring this thread to future meets.. If I can download pics of the air filter,I'll try tomorrow. Jeff

[Joe L.]

Re: Identifying Correct PF 29 and A212CW

So, why don't the original and reproduction PF-29 have the same configuration of the "can"? Very simple. The reproduction filters are not a piece reproduced "from scratch". Like all reproduction oil filters they use a current production base filter which is then silk-screened to appear like the original. The problem is there is NO current filter which has exactly the same can configuration as the originals. So, the reproduction PF-29 is made up from an existing filter which is "close to" the original configuration. This may be a PF-1218 or some other filter.

Besides the obvious differences in length, the configuration of the "flutes" on the bottom of the can is much different. There is no filter manufactured today that's exactly like the originals with respect to "flute" configuration and, consequently, there is no reproduction filter made today that's exactly like the originals (even if the length happens to be exactly the same).

[Jeff P.]

Re: Identifying Correct PF 29 and A212CW

Again,Thank you all, Grant could I bother you to measure the correct filters legnth?

[Dale C.]

Re: Identifying Correct PF 29 and A212CW

Grant
I also have an origional PF29 in the same box like yours but the code below the tighten note is EJ22. What do those numbers mean?
Dale