what does this 1967 vin tell me

[Domenic T.]

Re: what does this 1967 vin tell me

Dom -

There was no "CA" following the VIN on the VIN plate, the partial VIN on the frame, or the partial VIN stamped on the engine pad or the transmission, or on the Manufacturer's Statement Of Origin (MSO) the dealer presented to register/title the car. Do you have photos of the VINs with the "CA" at the end?

John,
Yes I am waiting for help to arive that will post the picture of the pad on the front right side frame for me.

DOM

[Domenic T.]

Re: what does this 1967 vin tell me

Mike,
I will have a photo shortly.

DOM

[William C.]

Re: what does this 1967 vin tell me

California issued VIN tag? (state issued)

[Domenic T.]

Re: what does this 1967 vin tell me

William,
Are you saying that the Vin tag was state issued?

DOM

[Domenic T.]

Re: what does this 1967 vin tell me

OK,
Here are the pictures of my frame tag with the CA at the end.

As soon as my help came I lost the site for a few hours.

I'm going back to the shop and see if the small vin stamped by the drivers seat has a CA at the end also.

DOM

[William C.]

Re: what does this 1967 vin tell me

Yes, that is my question, and I think a probability especially since the tag on the frame is in a non-oem location, and frames were stamped with the VIN, directly into the frame surface, no tag was used. Many possibilities, but a recovered theft would be at least one likely one.

[Domenic T.]

Re: what does this 1967 vin tell me

Bill,
I was thinking the same (theft).
What kind of scar does this leave on my vette?

DOM

[Jack H.]

Re: what does this 1967 vin tell me

Bill,
I was thinking the same (theft).
What kind of scar does this leave on my vette?

DOM

Unfortunately the missing Trim Tag, missing VIN tag under dash, and obviously state issued VIN plates, are going to scare off many people if you ever go to sell the car. At a minimum it will negatively effect value, especially with the NCRS crowd, and especially for a higher dollar big block car.

I assume the state issued VIN number matches the original factory VIN. Are there any stamped VIN markings in the frame at the original locations? These are on top of the frame near where driver's door closes, and on top of kickup on the same side.

That being said, Corvettes are like no other car in the world. Plus 1967's are the best of the best (of course some bias on my part)!!! Enjoy your car!

[Domenic T.]

Re: what does this 1967 vin tell me

Yes,
I am going back to the shop and re-check the #s by the door and see if the CA is there too.
If so that is not one that can be re-stamped by the state with the car on the frame.
When I got the car in 71 the tag that's on the frame did not look new but I did start repairs by getting the frame straightened at the chevy dealership I worked at.

DOM

[Domenic T.]

Re: what does this 1967 vin tell me

Well,
The frame #s by the drivers door do not have the CA in the back nor do they have all the #s in the front.
All the rest are the same.

So from what I gather the car was stolen, wrecked and issued a new tag. Identity worth less of coarse.

That's probably how women feel that were raped, beaten, and then looked at differently by some. SAD isn't it. I still see the beauty in that woman as who she was ,is, and can be.

I'm going to give this vette all the respect and treatment it had when it was born a virgin and not skimp on a thing or look at it differently because of it's missfortune.

DOM

[Kenneth B.]

Re: what does this 1967 vin tell me

Well,
The frame #s by the drivers door do not have the CA in the back nor do they have all the #s in the front.
All the rest are the same.

So from what I gather the car was stolen, wrecked and issued a new tag. Identity worth less of coarse.

That's probably how women feel that were raped, beaten, and then looked at differently by some. SAD isn't it. I still see the beauty in that woman as who she was ,is, and can be.

I'm going to give this vette all the respect and treatment it had when it was born a virgin and not skimp on a thing or look at it differently because of it's missfortune.

DOM

Don't restore.Run like the wind on this Corvette. It's a 63 thrue 67. What you have is a car that is not real. OK

[Domenic T.]

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Kenneth,
I'm not only restoring this but have done what many that say frame up do not do.
EVERYTHING from the window motors to every working part was taken apart and re-done. NO exceptions.
I have not found anything (so far) that was not real.

What I am striving for is maybe we will have a JUNK corvette class here some day. Then I can get all the points while looking better than the car that has all the right papers and un restored parts.
So far all the parts I did worked just fine (water pump and battery excluded) I don't think there is a part on this car that someone wouldn't like to have #s matching of coarse.
It drops the jaw on the people that look at the restoration. NO it was not just lifted off the frame to say it was a frame up. EVERYTHING on this not real vette was done to meet or exceed factory standards. I wanted a new vette to show and drive and thats why all but the 47k instrument cluster was re built.
And I also have all the paperwork to prove that the car was actually JUNKED back when they were $1700.00 on the used car market.

I was told by many (not on this forum) to cheat and rent the stamps, Alter the #s , buy the tags and get it inspected at DMV and have them re-issue lost title paper work. Then sell it to a loving owner.
BEWARE there are many not real vettes out there and NCRS cars are not exempt. These guys are pro's at this. big bucks.

I will (when done) proudly park this NOT REAL car next to another vette.

DOM

[Michael J.]

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I have never seen or heard of one like this with a VIN plate stuck on the frame and that as the only ID. But enjoy, this will be like the numerous "Tribute" cars made to honor real ones.

[Domenic T.]

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michael,
I recieved a call saying that when a california dealer got a NEW car from an out of state dealer that the car had to be brought up to california standards, (smog being the one at the time).
He called it a PDI (pre delivery inspection). Once done they re did the vin tag to reflect the change.
I have seen this tag on the vette as long as I've owned it.

I wonder if it is even possible to weld a tag in that place with the car in tact.

[Ronald L.]

Re: what does this 1967 vin tell me

It is comments like this that drive people away from NCRS.

Fake Vette, tribute car not real. Not every car is perfect, or just exactly like it left the factory. And IMHO those trailer queens are never enjoyed either. Corvettes were and can be driven, and still shown, or maybe you haven't figured that out yet.

Dom has been honest in the history of this car - from what I can tell as I don't know him personally.
One hit, potentially theft recovery - that your insurer can verify through the NICB - they WILL DO THAT!

Sure it does not have the original motor, and certainly the trim VIN tags are an issue as per above if the car would be judged at a NCRS meet.

Sounds reasonable that the has a restored 67 BB top of the line car, has a long documented history - helps he's had the jewel for 40 years!
He has an explanation on the oddity of the trim tags that the State of California can verify.

What do you guys want? Do you know how many of YOUR cars are two-piece wonders??? How many of these cars were the front of one and the back of another back in the 70's before it became law??? And...now twice restored they have sold for over 100K?

With all those text slaps - what do you want him to do, be quiet and fake the car out - like a lot of other of YOUR cars out there? Then let it out to one of you to buy it as a two owner car?

Maybe, just a very thin maybe you guys know him and are messing with him, hard to say. Maybe De Pizzan needs to send a boot maker to get you a custom pair made.