Concours Naming Survey Q

[Mark F.]

After 35 years of wanting an N03 car I finally have one. I can not afford a body off now and maybe ever. I am a member since 1988 and only had 1 car judged. I do plan on putting the N03 car through concours soon.

Good for you, Bill...
Would love to see some pix

[Larry E.]

Hi Larry,

I respectfully disagree with you.

If Bill's car has a Trim Plate (and I must assume it does or Bill would not have bought it) that trim plate code will verify it is an N03 car (or not, eh?).

No documentation is needed assuming the specific option was equipped on 20 or more cars (see rare car judging qualifier assigned by Roy Sinor in the Restorer many years ago) AND the NTL for whatever year his car is verifies the Trim Plate is "REAL".

If it's one of the only two 1967 N03s, then yes, scrutiny and documentation would be escalated...and warranted IMO.

Again, with all due respect, your secrecy about your car puzzles me - but, it's your car, your right to not share - and so be it.

You are one of many NCRS members I have encountered who apparently have this attitude.
I don't understand it and never will - but it's not my dog on the day - I can live with it...

Mark: Always like your comments>Thanks. The way I read this rule that appeared in the Driveline/Restorer(From the head judge at that time) Bill could not get his car judged in the "Flight" class unless the true paperwork is given and varified by the NCRS since the NO3's are so rare at any year. (Regardless of what the TT Indicates)Here is why I will not share my paperwork and advise others not to share.
If I where to send a copy of what I got to the N CRS to get varified and it is varified then:
HOW MANY COPIES WILL THEY MAKE AND WHERE WILL THEY END UP AT IN THE FUTURE? Whoever
does this at the NCRS NOW will not be there that long until another group takes over. Then how many copies will they make and where will they end up say 5 years from now. My Lawyer
said to ask them this: Can you positively tell me 100% that a copy will not end up in Timbuktu
for whatever reason? I think not. I'll go with and old wise past President we had that said.
TRUST BUT VARIFY!!. Of course JMHO-Larry

[Harry S.]

Mark: Always like your comments>Thanks. The way I read this rule that appeared in the Driveline/Restorer(From the head judge at that time) Bill could not get his car judged in the "Flight" class unless the true paperwork is given and varified by the NCRS since the NO3's are so rare at any year. (Regardless of what the TT Indicates)Here is why I will not share my paperwork and advise others not to share.
If I where to send a copy of what I got to the N CRS to get varified and it is varified then:
HOW MANY COPIES WILL THEY MAKE AND WHERE WILL THEY END UP AT IN THE FUTURE? Whoever
does this at the NCRS NOW will not be there that long until another group takes over. Then how many copies will they make and where will they end up say 5 years from now. My Lawyer
said to ask them this: Can you positively tell me 100% that a copy will not end up in Timbuktu
for whatever reason? I think not. I'll go with and old wise past President we had that said.
TRUST BUT VARIFY!!. Of course JMHO-Larry

Larry, can you list the names of the documents you have for your car. No detail, just the names.

[Larry E.]

Larry, can you list the names of the documents you have for your car. No detail, just the names.

Harry: I don't think my lawyer would like that idea. Probably thinks I said too much already.
Don't even keep a copy of this paperwork in the house; all in a bank vault! Larry

[Joseph S.]

Bill: Here is a typical example of why the name Concours should remain. Your car like my
66 can not be judged in "Flight Judging" unless you give the GM/Chevy paperwork to
the NCRS to varify. I assume you do not have the original paperwork.(Maybe I am wrong)
where I have the paperwork but due to privacy WILL NOT GIVE IT TO THEM. My car has gotten
a Top Flight award(Before the above rule was made) and a recent Concours Stock Blue Ribbon with of score of 99.2. I would and maybe you also would never enter cars like this if they ever changed the name to "Modified Class"indicated all cars in the class are modified which
they are not now. Of course JMHO-Larry

Larry, Bill Mc Morrow can have his car judged in Flight Judging without any factory paperwork. That car does not have an option requiring documentation. I'm sorry that I'm not familiar with your car so I have no comment on your situation.

Regards, Joe

[Larry E.]

Larry, Bill Mc Morrow can have his car judged in Flight Judging without any factory paperwork. That car does not have an option requiring documentation. I'm sorry that I'm not familiar with your car so I have no comment on your situation.

Regards, Joe

Joe:Thanks to clearing this up. I did not know this rule went on
A year to year basics where a 66 NO3 does not need paperwork
But a 67 does. Correct? IIRC that rule that came out in the restorer
Did not mention this. Larry

[Joseph S.]

Joe:Thanks to clearing this up. I did not know this rule went on
A year to year basics where a 66 NO3 does not need paperwork
But a 67 does. Correct? IIRC that rule that came out in the restorer
Did not mention this. Larry

Larry, There were 66 N03 cars built in 1966, This does not fit the criteria for requiring documentation.

Regards

[Larry E.]

Larry, There were 66 N03 cars built in 1966, This does not fit the criteria for requiring documentation.

Regards

Joe:That's my point. What is the official criteria for requiring
Documentation? A 66 does not need but 67 does? How about
A 64 with 38? Larry

[Michael J.]

Joe:That's my point. What is the official criteria for requiring
Documentation? A 66 does not need but 67 does? How about
A 64 with 38? Larry

My '67 tanker was flight judged a few years ago, it didn't require any special paperwork.

[Joseph S.]

Joe:That's my point. What is the official criteria for requiring
Documentation? A 66 does not need but 67 does? How about
A 64 with 38? Larry

Larry, I will find my JRM and get you an exact answer. I don't have it with me at this time. I know I should have it with me at all times but I am in the process of a re-write and I have it at home.

[Dorsey F.]

No doubt, I fully understand that, and there is no "fix" for that as it is your personal choice. But judging is the major component of this society, the vast majority of the meets revolves around that. Maybe that is a mistake if the desire is to grow membership?

BINGO award! Change “Judging” to “Award” changes the perception from negative to positive.

[Joseph S.]

Joe:That's my point. What is the official criteria for requiring
Documentation? A 66 does not need but 67 does? How about
A 64 with 38? Larry

Larry, Here is the exact wording from the JRM.

We will no longer judge Corvettes with extremely low production configuration (typically less than 30
units), unless the car is authenticated through the NCRS Document Validation Service (DVS), or other
appropriate means.
Certain persons might attempt to obtain an NCRS award for a seemingly rare Corvette, however, that
Corvette may not be as original as that person wishes it were. This is misuse of the NCRS judging
system. This misuse is, at least, unfair to the organization, and could result in legal and financial
penalties to the perpetrator(s). For these reasons, the above procedures have been put in place.

As you can see there is some wording in there stating "low production configuration" (typically less than 30 units). It also states that the car can be authenticated through the NCRS Document Validation Service, or by other means. So "by rule" factory documentation is not the only factor in determining if we will judge a car. That being said, I would expect that a ZR1, ZR2, ZL1, 67 L88 or 67 L89 would need some factory docs to back it up.

I hope this helps answer your question.

Joe

[Larry E.]

Larry, Here is the exact wording from the JRM.

We will no longer judge Corvettes with extremely low production configuration (typically less than 30
units), unless the car is authenticated through the NCRS Document Validation Service (DVS), or other
appropriate means.
Certain persons might attempt to obtain an NCRS award for a seemingly rare Corvette, however, that
Corvette may not be as original as that person wishes it were. This is misuse of the NCRS judging
system. This misuse is, at least, unfair to the organization, and could result in legal and financial
penalties to the perpetrator(s). For these reasons, the above procedures have been put in place.

As you can see there is some wording in there stating "low production configuration" (typically less than 30 units). It also states that the car can be authenticated through the NCRS Document Validation Service, or by other means. So "by rule" factory documentation is not the only factor in determining if we will judge a car. That being said, I would expect that a ZR1, ZR2, ZL1, 67 L88 or 67 L89 would need some factory docs to back it up.

I hope this helps answer your question.

Joe

Joe: Thanks much for this; does help. Just seems odd that a 66 and 64(with 8 over the
the threshold) does not need paperwork and the 67 does. Larry

[Kevin G.]

What's this thread about again?

[Michael J.]

Joe: Thanks much for this; does help. Just seems odd that a 66 and 64(with 8 over the
the threshold) does not need paperwork and the 67 does. Larry

No, a '67 doesn't. Mine didn't at an NCRS Regional