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  • Mark E.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • March 31, 1993
    • 4497

    #31
    Re: A212CW air filter square mesh wire particulars

    I'm hoping Joe "Not For Sale" Lucia may have some of these he can post.
    Mark Edmondson
    Dallas, Texas
    Texas Chapter

    1970 Coupe, Donnybrooke Green, Light Saddle LS5 M20 A31 C60 G81 N37 N40 UA6 U79
    1993 Coupe, 40th Anniversary, 6-speed, PEG 1, FX3, CD, Bronze Top

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    • Ronald L.
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      • October 18, 2009
      • 3248

      #32

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      • Jody B.
        Very Frequent User
        • February 28, 1991
        • 108

        #33
        Re: A212CW air filter square mesh wire particulars

        Here are some old pics of the filter that was on my 1965 Benchmark car. The photos have been posted in the past, but since the topic came up,IMG_0404.jpgIMG_0398.jpgIMG_0401.jpgIMG_0400.jpg I thought I would post them again.

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        • Gary B.
          Extremely Frequent Poster
          • January 31, 1997
          • 6973

          #34
          Re: A212CW air filter square mesh wire particulars




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          Thanks,


          Gary

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          • Ronald L.
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            • October 18, 2009
            • 3248

            #35
            Re: A212CW air filter square mesh wire particulars

            Gary - - they are all raised above the surface, exactly how far? Some, version 1968 - 1972, are very subtle and take some time to find, still raised above the surface - On the Finished part.

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            • Gary B.
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              • January 31, 1997
              • 6973

              #36

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              • Ronald L.
                Extremely Frequent Poster
                • October 18, 2009
                • 3248

                #37
                Re: A212CW air filter square mesh wire particulars

                Too technically complicated - appearances are deceiving and FWIW - its like KISS principle - there was one version, there hasn't been a half-way filter, its been the real deal or nothing so far...

                Changes that came about in 1966...are on the print.

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                • Gary B.
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                  • January 31, 1997
                  • 6973

                  #38

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                  • Ronald L.
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                    • October 18, 2009
                    • 3248

                    #39
                    Re: A212CW air filter square mesh wire particulars

                    Given the passing of some of our members, that were known to have some spec books and other details of thes cars and their engineering, this does beg the question what happens to these documents in the estates.

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                    • Mike E.
                      Extremely Frequent Poster
                      • February 28, 1975
                      • 5132

                      #40
                      Re: A212CW air filter square mesh wire particulars

                      Would you be so kind as to educate me as to what vintage this one would be?
                      Thanks
                      air filter (3).jpgair filter (2).jpg

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                      • Ronald L.
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                        • October 18, 2009
                        • 3248

                        #41
                        Originally posted by Jeff Pollard (15573)
                        I purchased this filter 10 years ago for my 68. Almost ready to display it. Lol. Box I believe is dated 73 ? [ATTACH=CONFIG]115472[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]115472[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]115473[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]115474[/ATTACH]

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                        • Ronald L.
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                          • October 18, 2009
                          • 3248

                          #42
                          Re: A212CW air filter square mesh wire particulars

                          Originally posted by Steve Bramati (37512)
                          Ron, so the filter that John Daly posted is the 67 version and the smaller raised lettering is the 65/66 version or were the two basically interchangeable during the 65/67 time frame? Sorry if this has been answered before, I did multiple searches and could not find the answer.

                          Yes the 65 and 66 versions are found side by side

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                          • Ronald L.
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                            • October 18, 2009
                            • 3248

                            #43
                            Re: A212CW air filter square mesh wire particulars

                            Mike, Jeff, others.

                            When you see box dates, Nov 1973 for example, that is Not a 1973 MY part, its what is being made for the 1974 model year. Back then pretty much the new model started in September of the year prior. Engineering changes were made generally a year ahead, certainly durring the summer to support a September SOP.

                            Now in summary, that Horizontal mesh is not Corvette, never was, some may know back 15+ years ago, I did extensive research talking to, meeting with the Enginering and Manufacturing Managers that were responsible for all those changes.

                            Round wire diagonal was changed to expanded metal mesh for cost.
                            Due to crushing - brutus wing nut twisters - they went to the horizontal round wire until an alternate could be developed.

                            FWIW, the round wire horizontal was replaced, diamond expanded metal mesh, the removel of best way, removal of the C, a host of detailed changes that are irrelevant for Corvettes.

                            One thing, John H and I were on a different forum back then and so there was more info of the chronology on a non NCRS website.
                            (I'm starting to remember the simmering comment I got from one of the members here when asking...).


                            For Corvettes
                            1965 - shown above
                            1965-1966...to & including 1967, as shown above.

                            1968 - show me a real one, or a 1968 dated print.

                            We believe from that later prints, that 1968 got the BEST way, not 100% conclusive due to lack of data. Data from more than one source: non-faked Benchmark cars, and NOS parts that have't been put in other boxes to mislead prospective purchasers (I've seen it).

                            1969 - might be same as 1968, there is some '69 Z28 owners leaning this way, for sure from posts back then, we know that late 1969 calendar year had this filter, and this pictured filter was good throught 1972 model year.


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                            Anything different is non Corvette.

                            FWIW - when we talk of these mesh styles, all other AC SPARK PLUG Division filters were the same - in the time periods I am refering to. I acquired plenty of filters from cars no one cares about to futher understand all these details, back then...






                            Originally posted by Mike Ernst (211)
                            Would you be so kind as to educate me as to what vintage this one would be?
                            Thanks
                            [ATTACH=CONFIG]115549[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]115550[/ATTACH]

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                            • Gary B.
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                              • January 31, 1997
                              • 6973

                              #44

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                              • Ronald L.
                                Extremely Frequent Poster
                                • October 18, 2009
                                • 3248

                                #45
                                Re: A212CW air filter square mesh wire particulars

                                Gary,
                                Hardly a possibility when the tools are being used to produce filters for thousands of vehicles - per day. What was in the box, matched what was going into cars. High volume Manufacturing just doesn't work on onezies and hopium.

                                This is hard to wrap logical brain cells around, having see service parts run ten years later. Yes, they were not exactly as in 1966, tools got modified, worn out, part numbers changed, superceded. PCV vales are a great example where service part numbers were different, one went straight into the engine, the other went into a Dated Box, and then sold. 1966 parts were different that 1967 and yet again 1968, however the part number didn't change. How that happened...high volume production.

                                You could not go backwards once you made the revisions - to that extent the prints and what's in dated boxes for filters matches very well for changes 1970 up.

                                That is why---I want to see are real 1968 filter, NOS or low mileage car, and one that hasn't been massaged to be a survivor.



                                Originally posted by Gary Beaupre (28818)
                                Ron,

                                Just one comment for future readers about the statement “When you see box dates, Nov 1973 for example, that is Not a 1973 MY part, its what is being made for the 1974 model year….” As many knowledgeable people on the DB have told us, but not all readers will always remember, even if the box date is Nov 1973, and the part is intended for the 1974 MY, that does not mean that that service replacement part is configured identically to the production part for the 1974 MY. Now maybe some service replacement air filters were configured the same as air filters used in production. But in general, there is no guarantee that is the case for service replacement parts. Just stating what will be obvious to some people.

                                Gary

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