A212CW air filter square mesh wire particulars
Trying to determine the dimensions of the square openings in the outer wire mesh used in the A212CW assembly line air filter as used up to the 67 model year. What is the wire diameter or "gauge" of the wire and the measurement of the "squares". Any and all help or comments will be appreciated.
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Re: A212CW air filter square mesh wire particulars
John,
Why?
Search the discussions of ten year back, lots of detail.
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Hi John,
My friend and I were just discussing square mesh A212CW filter elements the other day. Sorry, I don't have the dimensions of the mesh openings. But maybe this thread of yours will evolve and answer questions that I have about the square mesh version of the AC A212CW filter element. I've done a fair bit of research on these filters and I found a few helpful threads in the Technical Discussion Archives. Readers of this thread may want to search the following threads:
"212CW air filter - what does the real thing look like?" Started by you a few months back.
"67 air cleaner element." Started by Neal Kalis September 2013.
"Need pictures of a 1966 original AC A212CW air cleaner filter." Started by Dominic Presty December 2016.
All 3 threads have excellent close-up photos.
My 1966 Judging Guide states that the proper element is "coarse, galvanized diagonal-patterned mesh, outside wire screen, and a fine mesh inside wire screen." So I've always assumed that the earliest filter elements were diagonal mesh followed later by the square mesh type elements. I'd like to know when the square mesh type filters began being introduced into service? That's my main question.
Check out these photos the seller from a recent auction on eBay posted there. There were six available. Each one sold for about $435 a pop. Thinking I missed that boat? They were very nice. Take care. Mike
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Re: A212CW air filter square mesh wire particulars
Ronald, I am interested in the size and gauge of the wire mesh because I am searching for an assembly line air filter and have never closely examined, photographed, or touched the real thing. Ebay contains some but they seem to all be different and I am not sure that any of them are correct for a 66. Knowing the size of the holes and the pattern would aid my search for the genuine article. Hard to tell from a photo much about the material. I am surprised how scarce the ones prior to 67 have become. Seems someone would have reproduced them. Several folks told me that the judging guide spelled out the size of the mesh but I have not been able to find that info in the material I have.Comment
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WOWSER! Some money for a part that is 5 points Originality.
Dave
Added: 5 Originality/5 Condition.
Reproduction: lose points for Configuration and Date - 40% of 5 or 2 points. Condition, fine so no points lost. Total 2 points out of 4500.
Used: no points lost for Originality. Condition, soiled so loss of 1 point anyway. Total 1 point out of 4500.
Difference: 1 point. Cost: $3000.Last edited by David H.; January 28, 2023, 07:42 AM.Judging Chairman Mid-Way USA (Kansas) ChapterComment
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OMG here we go
Originals are true works of art
Engraving done in the tools by finest skilled craftsmen that could be found back in the day
Worth every dollar imhoComment
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Well, I still do not know how big the square mesh holes are. Also have no idea the gauge of the wire, and have never actually seen one of the mystery filters. If they are a secret just mention it and I will stop asking although many or most of those on this forum probably know little a bout the construction or appearance of a real assembly line air filter. They must had had a couple of design changes through the years since the images of those for sale vary so much. I have had little luck finding the ten year old posts that you mention other than the ones linked at the bottom of the page, and so far no photos or much explanation of running changes or identification by different years. If anyone can post links to those discussions it would be appreciated. As far a reproduction and the long story associated with it, can anyone give a summary of the reproduction saga and was it discussed on this forum?Comment
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Here you go, one of the rare ones.Comment
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Thanks, Tim. Looks as if the mesh might be either 1/4 or 5/16, but can't be sure. Very odd looking mesh and certainly different than anything I have seen for sale. Were all AC paper filters of that era made with that particular mesh? Guess that most are like me and never really take a close look at a disposable item before pitching and putting in a replacement. Thanks for the image, the diameter of the wire looks substantial but from your photo it is difficult to tell the actual gauge size.Comment
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This is a well-used filter, but I'll use it on a Survivor car for Nationals if I can get the car there. It will lose enough condition points to offset any originality points I may gain, but it will be fun to present the car with an original filter that matches the patina of the car.Last edited by Tim G.; January 25, 2023, 06:21 PM.Comment
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John, search for ac212, its all there.
You are making too much out of the mesh size, I already told you 1/4" what more is necessary?
There wasn't any other mesh size ever used, I know.
Do you want to make a repro? A good way into 6 figures a trip to wuhan and you might get one that is 50%, but you won't get what's in the picture above.
There was one one repro about 30 years ago, and that one was really bad, cracked and fell apart, and it had 1/4" mesh, but not like above.
You could help your self by clariflying what year filter you are looking for, they are not the same year over year, I already wrote the history of the major differences above in this thread.
If all you are after is a real filter, OK, they are out there, get in line if you are looking on ebay, there are more than 1000 people with search-filters on ebay set for ac212 and in 15 years, maybe one NOS and one used on showed up, both sold off-line.Comment
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I bought mine from a friend that has some good used ones and some NOS ones (none for sale). This one was his "weak" one that he parted with. I still like it and am thankful for the opportunity to buy it.Comment
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I've only seen one in person- a NCRS National Judges retreat in Texas in 2005.
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