Glad to see another class of judging is coming down the line from NCRS.

[William F.]

Re: Glad to see another class of judging is coming down the line from NCRS.

You're kinda hard on NCRS, Tom.

[Tom P.]

Re: Glad to see another class of judging is coming down the line from NCRS.

You're kinda hard on NCRS, Tom.

That is EXACTLY correct!!!!
As a result of observing some of the treatment/attitude toward others, as well as myself, in past years (BUT, in defense of NCRS, I will say some things have changed for the better, but not enough), I STILL have some negative feelings toward NCRS. As I mentioned, there have been improvements----------------------and it appears more improvements may be forthcoming. That's good, but I will always be the skeptical devil's advocate toward NCRS.

[Jerry W.]

Re: Glad to see another class of judging is coming down the line from NCRS.

I agree with Tom P. 100%.....a Corvette...is a Corvette...is a Corvette.....I like what the General did...but like them all..Get a life NCRS

[Joe C.]

Re: Glad to see another class of judging is coming down the line from NCRS.

That is EXACTLY correct!!!!
As a result of observing some of the treatment/attitude toward others, as well as myself, in past years (BUT, in defense of NCRS, I will say some things have changed for the better, but not enough), I STILL have some negative feelings toward NCRS. As I mentioned, there have been improvements----------------------and it appears more improvements may be forthcoming. That's good, but I will always be the skeptical devil's advocate toward NCRS.

And what makes you think that the condescension will end if and when the new judging class comes into being?

[Frank D.]

Re: Glad to see another class of judging is coming down the line from NCRS.

I'll agree with Tom to a large extent.... I never had the experiences with my vintage Mustangs that I have had with Corvettes. Lots of the NCRS folks/judges/owners are as nice as they come some are elitists. It oozes off of them. I once asked an owner of a judged '63 coupe how he got his door panels curved so well near the vent window (at the time repro panels were straight and poorly fitting), he looked at me, and said haughtily, "...they're original door panels." Well pin a rose on your nose pal...

My cars are 95% original and I got all sorts of "show and shine" events. Had one judge at one of those events dock me because I had dual quads on my 270hp '61 and he was insistent that didn't come from the factory. I laughed it off - I already have a room full of trophies and no room for more..

I go to those shows for the comradeship and the spectators' enjoyment of the cars - nothing else. I doubt that a new judging class will be harmful to the purist judging category at all... Frankly, the NCRS better evolve or it will dissipate....

[Bill M.]

Re: Glad to see another class of judging is coming down the line from NCRS.

I would love to get my hands on a gasser! Saw a beauty at lake George last year white 58 most of the paint gone fuel keg in front
huge tires rear skinso's out front guy was having a ball.

[Tom P.]

Re: Glad to see another class of judging is coming down the line from NCRS.

I would love to get my hands on a gasser! Saw a beauty at lake George last year white 58 most of the paint gone fuel keg in front
huge tires rear skinso's out front guy was having a ball.

And there was a time when NCRS refused to accept or acknowledge that any Corvette which was not factory correct was to be ostracized. MUCH of this past attitude has gone away, but there are still members of the "old guard" who are not willing to allow changes for the better for the entire Corvette community. I DO NOT see how this can possibly dilute the judging standards, but in my viewpoint, it will only strengthen the overall NCRS organization.
No one ever denied the existance of the two factory built 1969 ZL1 cars-------------------but how long did it take for the 56 SR1 or 57 Airbox cars to be accepted as genuine factory built cars? In the meantime, the owners of those cars were not treated as they should have been.
Now, there are Corvettes all over the place which have been specially modified from their original St Louis configuration for special purposes and they are readily recognized. Most of those cars were modified for/by high profile people and subsequently, NCRS was willing to give recognition to those cars even though they were far from factory originality. Sooooooooooo, what's the difference between those cars and the cars that have been "personalized" by all the little guys??? I never have, and I still don't get it! Again, a Corvette is a Corvette is a Corvette.

[Jerry W.]

Re: Glad to see another class of judging is coming down the line from NCRS.

The CF guys have an "attitude" and the NCRS guys have an "attitude"..What's wrong with that picture.

A Corvette is a Corvette....Some like new...Some drivers...Who cares....I do

[William F.]

Re: Glad to see another class of judging is coming down the line from NCRS.

I have not yet had my Corvettes judged. But when and if I do, I'll realize judging IS JUDGING. It's not done on the PC theory that everybody should get a trophy. As I understand it, the main focus of NCRS is Corvette RESTORATION. Get it? If you're not into that, fine, but don't bitch about judging by restoration standards and fact that some cars will be judged to be closer to original appearance and configuration than others.

[Donald O.]

For what its worth

I had asked what this new judging was and instead of an answer all I read was either anti NCRS bashing or This is the NCRS and these Corvettes MUST BE STOCK.
Terrific. The bashing sounds like the cov**tefor*um with just as much vitriol. The FOR the NCRS side sounded the same way.



I have owned my 1967 convert since 1985 and have enjoyed driving it every time. Is it pure stock and restored to Top Flight or BG Gold standards? Nope. Will it ever be? Maybe. Has it ever been judged by either group? Nope not yet, perhaps in the future when I retire and stop working two jobs in a few years. IF I'm still the care taker for this one that is.

I was in a judged car show this weekend (proceeds to charity), I was in the 1960 Stock class, with Pontiacs, Olds 442s, Dodge or Plymouth GTXs, etc. When the judges came around and asked me to raise the hood, I politely declined and they were a bit put off by that. I asked them how you judge a Corvette against a GTX then against a GTO? So basically it was a show and shine and hunt for dirt with the hosting club members taking home the trophies. My grandson had a farking ball seeing the cars, a firetruck, riding on a haywagon around the park. He's a very precocious 2 and a half year old young man who is my "Car Show Buddy". This made the whole car show worth it. He and I didn't care a whit about any trophy, we just enjoyed a summer day of warmth.

So now I will ask again.
What is this Concours judging and when will it be implemented? What exactly will the judging standards be?

Don

[David H.]

Re: For what its worth

I had asked what this new judging was ... ... So now I will ask again.
What is this Concours judging and when will it be implemented? What exactly will the judging standards be?

Don

Don,

David Brigham's column in the current Restorer magazine outlines the new judging class. Emphasis on Condition and Operations, with two groups - one for looks pretty much stock and the other for cars that look modified. No statement as to when, but I would expect the details to be sorted out in time for the Judges Retreat in March.

Dave

[Terry M.]

Re: For what its worth

I believe I read in David's column that this class of judging is to be implemented following the 2016 National Convention.

[Jerry W.]

Re: For what its worth

There's a post on CF that shows pics of a well done 54 with an LS3 engine....WOW

There should be a class for that Vette in NCRS...I likey

[Michael J.]

[Gene M.]

Re: For what its worth

There certainly would be no doubt or controversy about it having a NOM……….

Yes, and even a 62 with a Big Block w/ 5 speed will be in the show............. As long as the requirements don't preclude "fun cars".