Glad to see another class of judging is coming down the line from NCRS.

[Larry E.]

Reading from the latest "Corvette Restorer" under the "Judging Chairman's Message" that the NCRS is working on another
form of judging called "NCRS Sportsman Concours Judging". Should be interesting how they will work out all the details. This may
make a way for some rare Corvettes to get judged that don't have the GM paperwork to go along with their cars. (Or have the paperwork and don't want to release them to nobody.) Larry

[Mark E.]

Re: Glad to see another class of judging is coming down the line from NCRS.

I've never had a car NCRS judged before, so how should I decide which award to pursue for a '70 I'm finishing?

It should do well in the Sportsman Stock Division, which judges condition but not originality. It may also do ok in Flight, but I don't know...

Most major components are original except differential (rebuilt using OEM casting from another car), alternator, starter (both ACDelco castings with wrong numbers), paint (excellent lacquer, original color but refinished), interior (new AK reproduction), front grills (NOS with screws instead of studs), plugs/cap/wires (aftermarket), tires (Goodyear 215 radials), battery (sealed), exhaust (original routing and size, but has pinch bends, muffler clamps and isn't double-walled), headlight motors (look nice, but Chinese Lone Stars), rocker panel trim (reproductions with missing screw attachment). I completely rebuilt the front and rear suspension using stock finishes and replacement (not reproduction) bushings, ball joints, tie rods, etc.- looks great but missing paint dabs, tags, chalk marks, stenciling. Oh, the engine is nicely and evenly painted all over with no fake factory over-spray anywhere (I did use repro hoses and clamps, though ).

That's a long list! And judging will probably find other details I don't know about.

Assuming condition is excellent, can I somehow estimate ahead of time if the car can earn some sort of Flight?

Should I just bring it to a chapter event and get advice informally from the judges? Or maybe have an expert go through the scoring sheet with me ahead of time, estimate how it would do in Flight, and identify what needs attention?

And if too many changes are needed for Flight, then go Sportsman/Stock?

[Frank D.]

Re: Glad to see another class of judging is coming down the line from NCRS.

I read that same article and it may be a while before the new judged category gets going. A regional flight judging will let you know how far afield you are from a Top Flight without extraordinary pain or embarrassment. I'm considering that route with my '63 split window. It has Vintage Air A/C, Detroit Speed headlight motors, quartz clock and an aftermarket (but stock looking) radio. None of which I'm anxious to uninstall. Everything else is very original...

That would be my recommendation...

[Mark E.]

Re: Glad to see another class of judging is coming down the line from NCRS.

Detroit Speed headlight motors...

Those sound cool. Are they faster than stock?

[Frank D.]

Re: Glad to see another class of judging is coming down the line from NCRS.

Are you kidding ? The first time I turned them on they came up so fast it scared the snot out of me!
Here is their promotional video. A great product and not cheap but you'll never fight those original motors and thumbwheels again.
Mine actually work better than the white C2 in this video - perfectly synchronized:
https://www.youtube.com/v/Utn4frtCCDw?autoplay=1&rel=0&enablejsapi=1&playera piid=ytplayer

[Gene M.]

Re: Glad to see another class of judging is coming down the line from NCRS.

I read that same article and it may be a while before the new judged category gets going. A regional flight judging will let you know how far afield you are from a Top Flight without extraordinary pain or embarrassment. I'm considering that route with my '63 split window. It has Vintage Air A/C, Detroit Speed headlight motors, quartz clock and an aftermarket (but stock looking) radio. None of which I'm anxious to uninstall. Everything else is very original...

That would be my recommendation...

I just can't understand the extraordinary pain or embarrassment associated with a flight award or not. All awards be it top, second or third flight have honor in that the Corvette is recognized for the deviation from factory new. The new classes will allow for alterations or replacement parts that do not detract from the Corvette because of differences from factory delivered.

[Frank D.]

Re: Glad to see another class of judging is coming down the line from NCRS.

Taking 'hits' won't bother me. But I've seen some that were very upset when their door jambs were too shiny; their vent windows didn't start to open in the first 1/4 turn and the wafers between alternator housing halves weren't the right caramel color.

Not everybody is so blase about their cars...

Don't get me wrong - the new judging class opens a whole new vista for our cars. My split window is a prime example...

[Bob D.]

Re: Glad to see another class of judging is coming down the line from NCRS.

Mark

Enter it as a Sportsman at the regional in Frisco this October and then have some of the judges take a look at it to see how it may flight judge. You may have a candidate for the new concourse judging.

Bob

[Michael J.]

Re: Glad to see another class of judging is coming down the line from NCRS.

Yes, this will be interesting as it proceeds and more information is developed. People do sometimes take their cars too seriously, but it is hard not to when you spend huge amounts of time and money to get it right according to some judges, and then some other judges tell you it is NTFP. Maybe there will be a place in NCRS for a car with 15 coats of hand rubbed lacquer, 5 clear coats, and lots of highly polished chrome and gloss black and powder coating on the chassis and engine bay, not to mention high quality glove soft leather seats, etc., or maybe not……..

[Mark E.]

Re: Glad to see another class of judging is coming down the line from NCRS.

Mark

Enter it as a Sportsman at the regional in Frisco this October and then have some of the judges take a look at it to see how it may flight judge. You may have a candidate for the new concourse judging.Bob

Can a car be entered at Regional if it hasn't been to a Chapter event?

[Alan D.]

Re: Glad to see another class of judging is coming down the line from NCRS.

Yes it can. I did so with my 1977 at Stone Mountain, Georgia years ago. Also, received a top flight.
Al Dieterle

[Tom P.]

Re: Glad to see another class of judging is coming down the line from NCRS.

If all goes well, I'll be going to Frisco. I HAD NOT planned to enter the 56, BUT, it MAY qualify for the new judging. It has sooooooooooooo many changes, but yet still looks like a 56 (sorta). It's a 56 that has basically been transformed into a 579D (if you don't know what a 579D is, forget it).
Someone offer an opinion, please.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1I9q3QAMac

[Donald O.]

Re: Glad to see another class of judging is coming down the line from NCRS.

Mark

Enter it as a Sportsman at the regional in Frisco this October and then have some of the judges take a look at it to see how it may flight judge. You may have a candidate for the new concourse judging.

Bob

What is this new "Concourse Judging"?

Don

[Loren L.]

Re: Glad to see another class of judging is coming down the line from NCRS.

Tom still reacts to when people remember his car, even fondly. As for the "NEW" judging format, other than to put $$$ into the NCRS treasury, what are we doing that is remarkable?

[Kenneth B.]

Re: Glad to see another class of judging is coming down the line from NCRS.

What goes around comes around. BG also judged concourse Corvettes when they first started judging stock cars.