Interesting 1969 Trim Tag

[Marc S.]

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I don't think it's quite that cut and dried. Since trim tag and VIN tag errors are known to have happened in all sorts of weird and wonderful ways, the error could be considered to be typical of those errors. The emphasis is always 'is this tag real GM issue and installed on the car it was born with'. I wouldn't worry too much.

Ahhh you answered right when I posted my response! Coincidence.....

So errors like this are typical? Typical to me is that is happens consistently and often. How often do dates go missing on trim tags? One, four, two hundred times? If two hundred then okay, i can go with it being "typical" but one or four, to me would not fit such a definition.

[William C.]

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Man, you fellows should have worked in GM during the Late '60's and early 70's right up to the Arab oil embargo. 6-7 day workweeks, and continuous pressure to do more "out the door". I was in a 3 shift operation in '72 and came back from a business trip midweek only to be told we were working Sat and Sunday! Previous schedules included 5 days and an occasional Saturday. Great two year run until the oil embargo hit then it was like turning off a switch to go to layoffs, 5 days and partial shifts. The car biz in the late '60's and '70's...

[Dick W.]

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I see nobody has really commented about how this car would be judged or what one would expect if a car like this were to show up at an event. Perhaps the car has already been judged and received an award. I don't know. At least one other participant is curious in this thread. It appears from one response by the thread starter he knows the owner of the car so I would like to know the outcome if it were judged. If no comment is available to protect the owner (which is understandable) then I would like the know the following:

I do not classify the deletion of the build date on a trim tag a minor issue at all? In fact it is a major issue when it comes to judging the car. It is major because it involves one of the items that a Chief Judge can decide on and BRAND the car from any judging. When I was an observer judge I saw a couple of cars branded and things like this happen and I like to know how it would be handled in this particluar situation with a trim tag presented in this condition.

What sort of paperwork, or documentation would someone need (if any) to be safe from any issue at the beginning of judging?

I do find the presence of assembly line mistakes interesting and thank you for presenting it to the forum, but it would be interesting to know how this would be handled if the car was being judged. This is one of several important topics at the NCRS. That being judging cars for flight awards. Thank you for your input.

This particular car was not branded, the tag was accepted as a factory anomaly, and as I say, "moving right along" next item please

[Marc S.]

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This particular car was not branded, the tag was accepted as a factory anomaly, and as I say, "moving right along" next item please

Thank you for the quick and straight up answer!!!!!

Mike Ward's response was a bullseye. So each error isn't judged on frequency, just the fact it was an error, any error, was considered typical. Ok got it.

[Michael W.]

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Ahhh you answered right when I posted my response! Coincidence.....

So errors like this are typical? Typical to me is that is happens consistently and often. How often do dates go missing on trim tags? One, four, two hundred times? If two hundred then okay, i can go with it being "typical" but one or four, to me would not fit such a definition.

This is why judges need to go to multiple schools to learn the ins and outs of making an appropriate call. Knowing the rules is 50% of suceeeding in just about any activity. The peanut gallery over on that other site constantly overlook this.

[Marc S.]

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This is why judges need to go to multiple schools to learn the ins and outs of making an appropriate call. Knowing the rules is 50% of suceeeding in just about any activity. The peanut gallery over on that other site constantly overlook this.

Yeah, you are right about that. Everyone seems to to think they are an expert even if they haven't had any formal training. I have already seen this first hand with my own car going to local events and being told by hot shots that this is wrong, or this part is incorrect and later I go to find out they were completely wrong and I don't need to do a darn thing as it is perfect.

Thanks for being the referee at times. It is a tough job, but someone has to do it. thumbs up!

[Kenneth B.]

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A friend I went 12 years to school with has a 1964 RED/RED conv. that has a correct trim tag that has a Blue/red paint/trim code. She has owned the Corvette since new &ordered it red/red & it still has the original paint & interior. She got a top flight at the Indiana NCRS chapter meet in Auburn.

[Reba W.]

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This just reinforces the statement that the burden of proof is on the owner. It doesn't mean an anomaly automatically brands a car.

[Marc S.]

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This just reinforces the statement that the burden of proof is on the owner. It doesn't mean an anomaly automatically brands a car.

Well this post opens up to further questioning now. The OP suggested or that was how it appeared to me with this trim tag in question that no documentation was necessary and was accepted AS IS. Did the owner present documentation regarding this tag on judging day and what was presented if so? Best regards.

[Dick W.]

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Well this post opens up to further questioning now. The OP suggested or that was how it appeared to me with this trim tag in question that no documentation was necessary and was accepted AS IS. Did the owner present documentation regarding this tag on judging day and what was presented if so? Best regards.

Everything is not black and white. It is on a case by case basis. There are precedents to this issue. There is no pat answer to all your questions. You would have to have been there and listened to all the conversation, which I was not.

[Marc S.]

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Everything is not black and white. It is on a case by case basis. There are precedents to this issue. There is no pat answer to all your questions. You would have to have been there and listened to all the conversation, which I was not.

Well I must say although I thought I got it, in reality I don't. There appears more to the story than just "moving right along, next item please" and I am even more confused now than ever. I think I used up my 20 questions allowed in this thread it seems. I guess I will just have to just let it go for now. It appears since I am new to ncrs it is tougher for me to grasp things like this. But, if the owner of the trim tag in question is watching I would be delighted to hear more about this in private as I really like to understand how this all worked out and what was done in this situation to get through this. You would have my confidence that I would not divulge the information. Simply contact me PM. I hope I hear from you. Best regards.

[Richard E.]

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Years ago i owned a 1966 maroon big block coupe with no build date which i forwarded to Al...I'm sure there are more...

[Dick W.]

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Well I must say although I thought I got it, in reality I don't. There appears more to the story than just "moving right along, next item please" and I am even more confused now than ever. I think I used up my 20 questions allowed in this thread it seems. I guess I will just have to just let it go for now. It appears since I am new to ncrs it is tougher for me to grasp things like this. But, if the owner of the trim tag in question is watching I would be delighted to hear more about this in private as I really like to understand how this all worked out and what was done in this situation to get through this. You would have my confidence that I would not divulge the information. Simply contact me PM. I hope I hear from you. Best regards.

No more to the story. As was oft said in the Looney Toons cartoons, "thats all folks"