odd 64 fuel injection set up

[Clem Z.]

Re: odd 64 fuel injection set up

maybe change the length of the dog house runners like chevy did on the BB can am engines because of the intake ports. 2 opened into the center of the chamber and 2 opened into the wall of the chamber so they used different length stacks to even out the flow. http://www.can-am-cars.com/productca...6&idcategory=7

[John D.]

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The two dual air meter FI's pics mentioning Bruce Bursten and Jim Lockwood are rather neat. Especially the older version.
But the Grady Davis dual air meter is an abortion. That definitely must be a one off unit. His other attempts were more sophiscated and prettier to look at.
One of the reasons the one side ran leaner than the other side is the lack of an idle air circuit. There doesn't appear to be one with Grady's. Open air nozzle blocks. Bottom of the air meter has an open hole where typically the 90 degree rubber hose goes. No forward balance tube to balance out the air. Two choke housings are a mystery.

If you all want to increase the air flow on your midyear drive try this old time trick. This trick will all also keep the car stock looking.
Have a machinist work the air meter cone over. Bore out the center hole of the cone to the limit. Have a custom made choke butterfly made for the increased bore size or run no choke at all. Have your choke choke slot modified to take this fatter choke butterfuly.
Be prepared though to fill in massive craters on the inside bore as the casting will look like swiss cheese.
You will notice the difference at the high RPM's. John
P.S. Connelsville, PA Airport on Rt 119S is 40 minutes away from old JD.
That was where all the action was when I was a kid growing up in the 60's. That's where Dr. Blatchley ran Grady Davis's old 63 tanker and where Grady and Yenko hung out in the old days. WE used to go there on a date and watch the race cars as it was for free and the beer was flowing. Clem was there all the time.

[Bruce B.]

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The current seller of the dual air horn FI unit has had it for a while and ran it on his 375 HP 64 Corvette.
He has had it for a few years and said it ran fine on the 327 using a early FI centrifugal advance distributor.
The unit was built in California with some technical help from Bill Thomas. Modifications were made to the fuel system as mentioned by Jim Lockwood.
It would look great on my 57 Gasser but it is way beyond my budget.

[Matt L.]

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The current seller of the dual air horn FI unit has had it for a while and ran it on his 375 HP 64 Corvette.
He has had it for a few years and said it ran fine on the 327 using a early FI centrifugal advance distributor.
The unit was built in California with some technical help from Bill Thomas. Modifications were made to the fuel system as mentioned by Jim Lockwood.
It would look great on my 57 Gasser but it is way beyond my budget.

thanks everybody for your input. it sure would be cool to have that under the hood at a car show. i wonder how points would be lost at a judging event.
thanks Bruce for getting more info from the seller. i think it would look great on your gasser !!!

take care,
matt

[Paul Y.]

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here is some more info on the gulf dual air meter FI. http://www.racingicons.com/gs/004/gulf.htm

Thanks for sharing that Clem. That is some cool stuff and very interesting.

[Joe L.]

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The current seller of the dual air horn FI unit has had it for a while and ran it on his 375 HP 64 Corvette.
He has had it for a few years and said it ran fine on the 327 using a early FI centrifugal advance distributor.
The unit was built in California with some technical help from Bill Thomas. Modifications were made to the fuel system as mentioned by Jim Lockwood.
It would look great on my 57 Gasser but it is way beyond my budget.

Bruce-----


At his price I think he's going to have it for quite a few more years, maybe a lifetime. I just can't see anyone paying anywhere near this amount of money for somethings that's, basically, a "curiosity item".

[Clem Z.]

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Thanks for sharing that Clem. That is some cool stuff and very interesting.

ron the guy that did the dyno work was a friend of mine at gulf reasearch back in the day

[Jerry G.]

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So would you shorten the tubing on the side you want to richen? Jerry

Given the internal configuration of the runners it may be easier to open up the runner ID on the side that is rich.
By the way JD...it's not that simple

[Bruce B.]

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Here is another "curiosity item" that came with my 57 Corvette Gasser.
It was on a built SBC with a 671 blower.
A interesting piece that you guys will probably recognize.



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Seems like I lost my pictures

[Bruce B.]

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The lost pictures11-27 car & LEDs 010.jpg11-27 car & LEDs 006 - Copy.jpg11-27 car & LEDs 007 - Copy.jpg

The name on the intake is that of the builder.

[John H.]

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The name on the intake is that of the builder.

Bruce -

That's NEAT! I haven't seen one of those Autolite in-line 4-barrels for 30 years!

[Matt L.]

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The name on the intake is that of the builder.

i definetly grew up in the wrong times. that is awesome Bruce !!

take care,
matt

[Bruce B.]

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John,
I had never seen one until I went to look at the 57 Corvette.The owner showed it to me and I was very surprised that he choose this carb to use on the blower.
Actually I only wanted to buy the original FI car but he wanted all the hot rod stuff to go with the car, and I got a ton of very interesting parts.
After I got everything home he brought me the original box from Stengers Ford in Dayton, Ohio, new jets, restrictors and gaskets for the carb. It has never had gas in it.
The carb has some very interesting but short racing history.

[Joe L.]

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The lost pictures[ATTACH=CONFIG]43036[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]43037[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]43038[/ATTACH]

The name on the intake is that of the builder.

Bruce------

I seem to recall these things being used on some Mustangs back in the late 60's-early 70's. I don't think they were ever used on any kind of a PRODUCTION Mustang but were available for racing and sold over-the-counter or used on Ford or Shelby-built racing Mustangs. They might also have been used on some 289 Cobras.

[Bruce B.]

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Joe,
The carb was designed for Ford by Autolite-Ford and as you stated they were sold over the counter or dealer installed.
The intake was called the "Cross Boss" and they are very rare.
The intent was to use them on Mustangs in CAN AM racing but they were quickly banned by CAN AM.
Mine is a Model A 875cfm unit, there was also a Model B 1400cfm carb.