Next Edition of the 65 Judging Guide

[Roy S.]

Re: Next Edition of the 65 Judging Guide

Roy, Not to get you off track is there a date for the 63/64 manuel update?

I have a better chance of picking the Powerball lottery number than I do of estimating the completion date of the next 63/64 judging manual revision, the last one took 14 years and has multiple purported discrepancies/errors. The manual coordinator is Duane Ravenberg, the team leader is Carlton Colclough. Eventually the two of them and I will come to some type of agreement and there will be anew judging manual revision. As a practice we do not release manuals between Feb and the national convention. So logic dictates that if it makes it this year it needs to be released between now and Jan1 is that going to happen? I hope so, is that a promise? No. The manual revision team has submitted it to the manual coordinator and the team leader, it will eventually get to press, again I have a better chance of picking the Powerball lottery number than giving you the next revision date for the 63/64 manual.

[Edward J.]

Re: Next Edition of the 65 Judging Guide

Thanks, Roy.

[Gary C.]

Re: Next Edition of the 65 Judging Guide

Here you go Jim,

1. L78 Oil pressure lineFinal monthly serial numbers: JG page 18 & 129, May - 118537. All other books on the subject say 118753.
2. Silver/silver radio side panel colour: JG page 22- the interior trim code table shows "silver dash colour" for silver-coded trim tags. But a note at the bottom of section 5, page 34. "Dash panel area" says that cars with 426 or 427 codes (or 437 and 438) have black dash panels and dash pads". Then, next page, "side trim panels" says they are painted interior colour. All very confusing. This issue was discussed on the Forum and the consensus was that radio side panels on a silver/silver car should be black.
3. Fan blade assembly:Heat Shield:"Mitted" finish for under-body parts. JG page 142, Anti-roll Bar. Mitting was not used to apply black paint.
4. L75, L79, L76, & L84 Fuel Filter bracket attachment. JG page 104 says hex nut and star washer. Should be hex nut and flat washer.
5. Vacuum Advance - base engine's and L-75's use vacuum advance #1116238. JG page 108 states all small blocks use #1116236. That is obviously wrong.

I recall some discussion on the Vacuum advance canister for L78's in the past. I'll see if I can find it.
Cheers,
Gary

[George J.]

Re: Next Edition of the 65 Judging Guide

Elio Martin has assumed the duties of 1965 National Team Leader, Mike Murray will remain as the 65-67 manual coordinator, the next manual scheduled for production is the 67 much later this year, after that the 65 will be revised. Mike will also remain available and function as a stand in for any of the mid-year team leaders if needed. The organization however needs his time more dedicated to manual production.

Roy,
knowing you can't predict the exact dates, could you give us some sort of timeline for the '65 Manual? If the '65 Manual is revised after the '67 goes to press, does that mean the process is just starting, after the '67 is produced? I guess what I'm asking is would you predict a year or two, or more like five, longer?

George

[Roy S.]

Re: Next Edition of the 65 Judging Guide

The target is 1967 before Jan of 2013, 1965 before Jan of 2014.

[George J.]

Re: Next Edition of the 65 Judging Guide

The target is 1967 before Jan of 2013, 1965 before Jan of 2014.

Roy,
thank you very much.

George

[Jim R.]

Re: Next Edition of the 65 Judging Guide

Will it have the steering gear box and rag joint described as being painted black as a unit.

[Gary C.]

Re: Next Edition of the 65 Judging Guide

Hi Jim,
What is the issue with the painting of the box and joint?
The JG, page 133, says the box may or not be painted black and the coupler is nautural.
Gary

[Jim D.]

Re: Next Edition of the 65 Judging Guide

Hi Jim,
What is the issue with the painting of the box and joint?
The JG, page 133, says the box may or not be painted black and the coupler is nautural.
Gary

The coupler for a tele.-column is painted black. Check out post #20 in this thread where the specs. call for it to be painted black - https://www.forums.ncrs.org/showthre...hlight=coupler
The one on mine has the remnants of black paint.

[Jim R.]

Re: Next Edition of the 65 Judging Guide

A while back this steering gear box painting was Questioned and one member added a GM sag drawing blueprint that clearly showed the gear box and rag delivered as a unit and in the drawing (steering box and coupler painted all over with Black) this was a standard box and rag. I will try and find the thread. JR

Hi Jim,
What is the issue with the painting of the box and joint?
The JG, page 133, says the box may or not be painted black and the coupler is nautural.
Gary

[Jim R.]

Re: Next Edition of the 65 Judging Guide

Jim shea was nice enough to share the gm drawing.

A while back this steering gear box painting was Questioned and one member added a GM sag drawing blueprint that clearly showed the gear box and rag delivered as a unit and in the drawing (steering box and coupler painted all over with Black) this was a standard box and rag. I will try and find the thread. JR

[Michael H.]

Re: Next Edition of the 65 Judging Guide

Here you go Jim,

1. L78 Oil pressure line: JG page 114 says “loops wound in a CW fashion top to bottom” AIM (L78 B2) shows anti clock top to bottom.
2. Final monthly serial numbers: JG page 18 & 129, May - 118537. All other books on the subject say 118753.
3. Silver/silver radio side panel colour: JG page 22- the interior trim code table shows "silver dash colour" for silver-coded trim tags. But a note at the bottom of section 5, page 34. "Dash panel area" says that cars with 426 or 427 codes (or 437 and 438) have black dash panels and dash pads". Then, next page, "side trim panels" says they are painted interior colour. All very confusing. This issue was discussed on the Forum and the consensus was that radio side panels on a silver/silver car should be black.
4. Fan blade assembly: JG page 135 says “All cars…….The rivets used typically have mushroom heads”. Farther down the page under Big Block it says flat head rivets.
5. Heat Shield: JG page 123 says “A heat shield is located on the side of the battery near the engine on all non-air conditioned cars” Big block needs to be added as an exception also.
6. "Mitted" finish for under-body parts. JG page 142, Anti-roll Bar. Mitting was not used to apply black paint.
7. L75, L79, L76, & L84 Fuel Filter bracket attachment. JG page 104 says hex nut and star washer. Should be hex nut and flat washer.
8. Vacuum Advance - base engine's and L-75's use vacuum advance #1116238. JG page 108 states all small blocks use #1116236. That is obviously wrong.

I recall some discussion on the Vacuum advance canister for L78's in the past. I'll see if I can find it.
Cheers,
Gary

Gary,

An item that can be added to your list would be the use of a 250 HP decal on the valve cover. No such decal was used for any 250 HP 65. (not used for 62-64 either)

[Gary C.]

Re: Next Edition of the 65 Judging Guide

Jim,
Is this drawing?

[Jim R.]

Re: Next Edition of the 65 Judging Guide

Hi Gary ,No the one that jim shea had was the 63-66 gear box and standard coupler together in the drawing I'm still trying to find that thread. Jim

Jim,
Is this drawing?

[Jim R.]

Re: Next Edition of the 65 Judging Guide

Hi gary check the thread that i answered to started by jim shea #15 post I couldn't figure out how to add it to the thread from you. jim

Hi Gary ,No the one that jim shea had was the 63-66 gear box and standard coupler together in the drawing I'm still trying to find that thread. Jim