Next Edition of the 65 Judging Guide

[Gary C.]

Does anybody know when the 6th edition of the 65 Judging Guide is being released and which items have been corrected?
Thanks,
Gary

[Don H.]

Re: Next Edition of the 65 Judging Guide

Send an email to Mike Murray (Team Leader), he is listed in the front of the Restorer. Don H.

[George J.]

Re: Next Edition of the 65 Judging Guide

Gary,

I'd be interested in the answer, as well, when you get it. Please post it here, if you find out.

[Mike E.]

Re: Next Edition of the 65 Judging Guide

Me too, I just bought the old version but there are a some conflicting things I've heard. Mitting is one that I guess has been disproved. Also does the newer editions include photos? For things like "Blackout" images would be a real help, doing it wrong could spoil a restoration.

I would love to help with photos if it would not involve large distance to travel. I'm between Chicago, Detroit & Indy and have some decent photo equipment.

Thanks!

Mike

[Gary C.]

Re: Next Edition of the 65 Judging Guide

As Donald suggested I have a sent an email to Mike Murray listing the issues I am concered about as below;

1. L78 Oil pressure lineFinal monthly serial numbers: JG page 18 & 129, May - 118537. All other books on the subject say 118753.
2. Silver/silver radio side panel colour: JG page 22- the interior trim code table shows "silver dash colour" for silver-coded trim tags. But a note at the bottom of section 5, page 34. "Dash panel area" says that cars with 426 or 427 codes (or 437 and 438) have black dash panels and dash pads". Then, next page, "side trim panels" says they are painted interior colour. All very confusing. This issue was discussed on the Forum and the consensus was that radio side panels on a silver/silver car should be black.
3. Fan blade assembly:Heat Shield:

[Wayne M.]

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1. Final monthly serial numbers: ................... May - 118537. All other books on the subject say 118753 ....

Yes, this must be a typo in the 5th ed. of the '65 TIM&JG. This list, in one format or another, appears about 5 times in the current manual. 118753 it is.

On Oct 11, 1965, Chevrolet Central Office sent to all the zone service managers the final (revised where necessary) list of final serial numbers at each plant for each month of production. John Amgwert was kind enough to send me a copy, back in the early '90s.

[Gary C.]

Re: Next Edition of the 65 Judging Guide

Yes my 65 Vin is 18669 and it was definitly made in May 65.

[Gary W.]

Re: Next Edition of the 65 Judging Guide

As Donald suggested I have a sent an email to Mike Murray listing the issues I am concered about as below;

1. L78 Oil pressure lineFinal monthly serial numbers: JG page 18 & 129, May - 118537. All other books on the subject say 118753.
2. Silver/silver radio side panel colour: JG page 22- the interior trim code table shows "silver dash colour" for silver-coded trim tags. But a note at the bottom of section 5, page 34. "Dash panel area" says that cars with 426 or 427 codes (or 437 and 438) have black dash panels and dash pads". Then, next page, "side trim panels" says they are painted interior colour. All very confusing. This issue was discussed on the Forum and the consensus was that radio side panels on a silver/silver car should be black.
3. Fan blade assembly:Heat Shield:

and how about getting rid of once & for all any reference to "mitted" finish for under-body parts eg JG pg 142 Anti-roll Bar, Links & Bushings. How many poor un-knowing restorers have ruined the appearance of their pride-n-joy by following this myth??
just my 2c worth
Cheers,
Gary.

[Tony S.]

Re: Next Edition of the 65 Judging Guide

Hi Gary. Black out on portions of the chassis were done, but not necessarily by a mitting application process (i.e. spraying). There is clear evidence that black out paint was applied to the front sway bar, half shafts, strud rods and mufflers. Not every car was blacked out in the same way though. I've seen original cars with heavy black out on the strud rods and half shafts, but other original '65 cars have no black out paint on those areas.

One point on the front sway bars--I know that the parts vendors sell paper part no. tags for the front sway bar, but in judging and examining alot of original '65 chasses, I've never seen even a remnant of a paper tag on a front sway bar. If they were ever used, I would guess that they were only used on service replacement parts.

Tony

[Gary C.]

Re: Next Edition of the 65 Judging Guide

I have added the Fuel filter mounting washer to the list from this thread.
https://www.forums.ncrs.org/showthre...achment-Nut-65

1. L78 Oil pressure lineFinal monthly serial numbers: JG page 18 & 129, May - 118537. All other books on the subject say 118753.
2. Silver/silver radio side panel colour: JG page 22- the interior trim code table shows "silver dash colour" for silver-coded trim tags. But a note at the bottom of section 5, page 34. "Dash panel area" says that cars with 426 or 427 codes (or 437 and 438) have black dash panels and dash pads". Then, next page, "side trim panels" says they are painted interior colour. All very confusing. This issue was discussed on the Forum and the consensus was that radio side panels on a silver/silver car should be black.
3. Fan blade assembly:Heat Shield:"Mitted" finish for under-body parts. JG page 142, Anti-roll Bar. Mitting was not used to apply black paint.
4. L75, L79, L76, & L84 Fuel Filter bracket attachment. JG page 104 says hex nut and star washer. Should be hex nut and flat washer.

Cheers
Gary

[Gary J.]

Re: Next Edition of the 65 Judging Guide

I see in the list of contact that Mike Murray is no longer listed as the 1965 Team Leader. I see Eliot Martin is now the team leader.
When did this change take place.

[Clark K.]

Re: Next Edition of the 65 Judging Guide

I see in the list of contact that Mike Murray is no longer listed as the 1965 Team Leader. I see Eliot Martin is now the team leader. When did this change take place?

That is a surprise to me because Mike Murray was the '65 Team Leader at the recent NCRS National Convention in San Diego.
-Clark

[Roy S.]

Re: Next Edition of the 65 Judging Guide

Elio Martin has assumed the duties of 1965 National Team Leader, Mike Murray will remain as the 65-67 manual coordinator, the next manual scheduled for production is the 67 much later this year, after that the 65 will be revised. Mike will also remain available and function as a stand in for any of the mid-year team leaders if needed. The organization however needs his time more dedicated to manual production.

[Edward J.]

Re: Next Edition of the 65 Judging Guide

Roy, Not to get you off track is there a date for the 63/64 manuel update?

[Jim D.]

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Hey Gary, you can add to your list - base engine's and L-75's use vacuum advance #1116238. The JG states all small blocks use #1116236. That is obviously wrong. Here's a link - https://www.forums.ncrs.org/showthre...hlight=1116238