1958 1959 Speaker Screen

[Richard M.]

Re: 1958 1959 Speaker Screen

"I suppose the screen could be installed without fasteners going through the holes, but why are there holes? edit: And why would my non-radio car have t-bolts installed?"

Bill,

I have wondered the same things, however, maybe the Tee bolts were installed on all cars in case the dealer/owner were to install a radio later. But I also have researched that a black cardboard was placed under the dash to block the view from up top. This would have to be held with the those fasteners. Did you have a cardboard under the dash?

I was also questioning the reason for the holes in the screen if it mounts on top of the dash under the pad.

I agree that the Tee bolts are not designed to go through the screen as it would deform the screen.

Were your Tee bolts fastened to the dash recesses with resin? It looks that way in your photo, showing traces of resin there in the past that you cleaned out.

If the 1958 AIM has the details of this screen I think it would help clear this up.

If anyone has a 58 AIM please check this, or even better, scan or take a photo of the page.

Rich

[Bill M.]

Re: 1958 1959 Speaker Screen

"I suppose the screen could be installed without fasteners going through the holes, but why are there holes? edit: And why would my non-radio car have t-bolts installed?"

Bill,

I have wondered the same things, however, maybe the Tee bolts were installed on all cars in case the dealer/owner were to install a radio later. But I also have researched that a black cardboard was placed under the dash to block the view from up top. This would have to be held with the those fasteners. Did you have a cardboard under the dash?

I was also questioning the reason for the holes in the screen if it mounts on top of the dash under the pad.

I agree that the Tee bolts are not designed to go through the screen as it would deform the screen.

Were your Tee bolts fastened to the dash recesses with resin? It looks that way in your photo, showing traces of resin there in the past that you cleaned out.

Rich

Rich:

I don't remember a black cardboard panel, but it's been over 40 years since I installed the bezel.

I don't think there was resin in the recesses. They were painted and I stripped the paint long ago. I have a picture of the dash before stripping and it does look like there may have been some dum-dum on top of the paint to hold the bolts in place.

My best guess: I don't think I could have removed the original screen (without damaging the brittle, curled dash pad) if it were installed on top of the dash.

Bill

[Loren L.]

Re: 1958 1959 Speaker Screen

It is supposed to be under the dash, not under the pad - putting it under the pad is how you "level" the screen with the repo pads; to do this, the "tees" must be removed.

[Dan H.]

Re: 1958 1959 Speaker Screen

It is supposed to be under the dash, not under the pad - putting it under the pad is how you "level" the screen with the repo pads; to do this, the "tees" must be removed.

Agree with Loren, I remember one of my 59's with original dash pad, removed the radio, then the nuts and the speaker and the grill came down together. Was always a pain to put back in. Those were some thin dash pads pads back then. My 58 AIM has the revised late 59/60 grill showing a bezel, dated revision 4/58 in 58 AIM. Any bodies guess as to when it got implemented on the line. It's very clear in my 60 AIM showing the bezel and nuts.

[Richard M.]

Re: 1958 1959 Speaker Screen

Loren,

I'm going to experiment some more by mounting the screen under the dash, then place the dashpad and check the clearance. I'll get some photos too.
But if screen is over dash/under pad, the tee bolts would still be needed to hold the speaker, right?


Dan,

What page is that in the AIM? Is it under the "Body" section(i.e. no radio), or the FOA 102 Radio Section?
If the revision date is 4/58, then it would mean that very many of '58 and all of '59 production would have the bezel. Strange.

[Dan H.]

Re: 1958 1959 Speaker Screen

Loren,

I'm going to experiment some more by mounting the screen under the dash, then place the dashpad and check the clearance. I'll get some photos too.
But if screen is over dash/under pad, the tee bolts would still be needed to hold the speaker, right?


Dan,

What page is that in the AIM? Is it under the "Body" section(i.e. no radio), or the FOA 102 Radio Section?
If the revision date is 4/58, then it would mean that very many of '58 and all of '59 production would have the bezel. Strange.

Hi Richard, my AIM only shows revisions 4, 5, and 6. Rev 4 states 'Redrawn and Revised' but may only refer to knobs and bezels on the revised radio. The only drawing of the speaker already shows a bezel etc. FOA 102, sheet 2.00. I had 59 Vin 7049 and it had resined in tee bolts thus precluding it having a bezel also. My AIM was purchased back in mid 80's. My thoughts would be if there is evidence of the tee bolts having been 'resined in' then no bezel was used.

[Richard M.]

Re: 1958 1959 Speaker Screen

I fastened the screen under the dash with the speaker, attached using the tee-bolts with nuts. I put the dashpad on loosely to check alignment. Pics below.

I don't like it. The forward area of the pad is too tight, loose in the rearward area with gaps around the screen. I would have to modify(shave) the pad as Loren mentioned. I don't think I want to do that.

Next post will be photos the other way....

[Richard M.]

Re: 1958 1959 Speaker Screen

Here the screen is mounted in the pad before it's placed on the dash. I.E. screen is between the dash top and the dashpad.

It looks better, but does it seem too high?

[Loren L.]

Re: 1958 1959 Speaker Screen

No. In essence, you remove the tees, put some glass and resin over where the tee was and then drill the appropriate sized hole through the resin in the locations dictated by the holes in the screen when the pad is in a satisfactory position.
You're going to put the screen on top of the dash and retain it with FOUR screws inserted from above - the speaker will be mounted on these 4 screws from below with nuts and flat/lock washers.
The trick is to make sure of the hole locations vis-a-vis making the pad FIT. Have the pad ready for final installation; once you're SURE of the hole locations, I'd give some thought to placing the sceen in place, drop the screws in and MAYBE one
1 1/2" piece of glass/resin over the top of each screw - to guarantee the location doesn't change.


QUOTE=Richard Mozzetta (13499);609015]Loren,

I'm going to experiment some more by mounting the screen under the dash, then place the dashpad and check the clearance. I'll get some photos too.
But if screen is over dash/under pad, the tee bolts would still be needed to hold the speaker, right?


Dan,

What page is that in the AIM? Is it under the "Body" section(i.e. no radio), or the FOA 102 Radio Section?
If the revision date is 4/58, then it would mean that very many of '58 and all of '59 production would have the bezel. Strange.[/QUOTE]

[Loren L.]

Re: 1958 1959 Speaker Screen

The pictures impy to me that the makers of the pad HAVE made some adjustments to thin out that area from where it was years ago. What would happen if I put 4/6 pieces of popsicle sticks around the edges of the screen?

[Richard M.]

Re: 1958 1959 Speaker Screen

Yes I think the thickness of the pad has lessened lately. I'm see what you mean about the popsicle sticks........... put them on top of the screen, under the pad as "stand-offs", to raise the pad slightly? Hmmmm, good idea.

I understand your suggestion about the screws to hold the screen down from the top, but I'm thinking about leaving the Tees, and just glue around the perimeter of the screen to hold the pad, and it'll self align the screen.