Bloomington Gold Changes..

[Patrick H.]

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I don't like more cost $$$$$ If this needs to be done it should be done as part of the BG process.

It is. Read all of the info on the BG site.

[Loren L.]

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Just one more step in the conversion of Bloomington to a Survivor Car Show....I'll miss walking through the current model year contestants and watching the 2012 owners (this year) feign nervousness on whether their two-week old car will be found to be "original".....

[Greg G.]

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There were no rev limiters on these things and a lot of them were blown up so if one still has the powerplant it drove off the line with that car ought to be recognized as something very special. It should not be permissible to simulate broach marks and factory stamping in order to earn a "me too" with something pieced back together with rounded up parts. Correct parts does deserve recognition but not original recognition. For this BG deserves a big round of applause. If fake engines are earning certificates then the system needs fixing. Fake pads should never get through. If hairspray on door jambs will get you a certificate then what is the value of that certificate?

[Kenneth B.]

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You know, and the rest of the world knows, there is no way that you can be 100% certain that an engine is original. There are individuals reading this post right now that are more than capable of creating a restoration engine that will 100% pass.

You are right Dick. Anyone that thinks otherwise is pi**ing in the wind. Unless you bought the Corvette new would you know for sure that it is origional so how can one swear that it is when judged. I love it that if the judge dosn't like the pad & it failes you are not given a reason & your car is branded a counterfit. I would not have my cars judged there anymore even for free. It get's me that someone thinks they are that good to tell 100% for sure it's a factory stamp. I have had 3 Corvettes certified gold starting in 82 & NCRS judged. We didn't do it for the money nut for the love of the car. Too bad the big time restorers & some people with a lot of money changed everything. TOO BAD.
KEN

[Joe R.]

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Get this Boys and Girls!!!

"If you are going to play in my sandbox then you are going to play by my rules or you can go home."

Can you understand that??????

[Greg G.]

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I am being facetious and of course I realize crafty folks can easily get a pad through inspection and it gets abused regularily but it also illustrates we have a problem. This situation encourages the unscrupulous and invites more of it. It is possible to judge the engine and determine what it is but we will need better standards and different methods than those now employed. If not fixed the credibility of the organization eventually gets questioned. Without good authority behind the organization doing the judging what does a car with a certificate really have? We all know what standards were met for a car still under authority of its original window sticker.

[Chris E.]

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So, this looks like a policy change and not a price change. Am I reading it right?

[Patrick H.]

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So, this looks like a policy change and not a price change. Am I reading it right?

Correct on that.

[Richard E.]

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I think the cars with the "new" certification done by judges with "all available" data bases will rise to the top as far as top dollar sales goes but i doubt to many people will tell the judges they have a restamp and have it noted on their "Gold cert".
IMHO it might be a light turn out this year...

[Michael H.]

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I think the cars with the "new" certification done by judges with "all available" data bases will rise to the top as far as top dollar sales goes but i doubt to many people will tell the judges they have a restamp and have it noted on their "Gold cert".
IMHO it might be a light turn out this year...

I think it's an interesting concept. The folks that know they have the real thing under the hood will be happy to allow an expert to give it his stamp of approval.

[Ronald L.]

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Michael, right on the money. Its not only the pad you know, how about those welded in & ground casting numbers, dates, etc. 351's ring a bell anyone?

[Greg G.]

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Burden of proof of OEM status could be shifted to the owner. If it cannot be proven it gets an "inconclusive". This is a brilliant move IMO, protects the real cars and separates them from inconclusive cars. Could be quite effective at discouraging building cars for certificates and profit.

[Carl N.]

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I have to wonder what is next --- in NHRA AHRA drag racing back in the day --- when you had a protest you had to pull at least a cylinder head for the inspectors !!!! many of us carried spare set of gaskets and became skilled at tearing down in the rain and cold in adverse weather --------

Just having the correct broach marks and pad stamp fonts don't mean you got the correct crank, rods, lifters, oil pump, timing chain, push rods, pistons, ect and why not gaskets on the valve covers on the solid lifter motors which had no reason to be off the engine in the last 45 years or so ------- lets tear em down and see just how original they really are !

ok so much for my rant - back to my movie

[Tony S.]

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This whole thread reinforces my reasons for being an NCRS member (and have been since 1981). Frankly, our system of flight judging is more comprehensive and practical than the BG system. Where else can you go for so little money to have 10 judges spend a few hours judging your car than at an NCRS event? Our leadership has correctly moved to a standard of appearance. Does the item "appear" to be factory original? The BG system requires an owner's disclosure about his car or engine like some parolee making disclosures to his parole officer. From all accounts, this new BG system of Gold certification is coming on the heels of a owners' riot last summer. Frankly, if BG wants to remain viable, its reforms have not gone far enough. BG judging is very expensive, and frankly, a National Top Flight is more prestigious than a BG anyway.

[Greg G.]

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There might be a lot of imported replacement parts or hotrod parts out there inside .060 over correctly number castings. You can't drive these cars if you want to preserve the best examples. The problem is the original internal OEM engine parts all have vendor identification or production numbers or date codes; history that is thrown out and lost forever during a typical rebuild. Most replacement internal engine parts available today are similar to the originals but not an exact match. Consider any original standard size piston and see if you can find a match in plus .030 or .060. What if you completely disassembled a survivor only to clean everything and carefully reassembled leaving all the various assembly lubes in place and never started it again? Once you start an engine you must then continue to start and run the engine at regular intervals in order to exercise it and prevent corrosive damage. Just think of the time capsule you would have if you could have purchased a new 435HP Roadster that was never started on the assembly line and you preserved it in that never started condition.