NCRS Judging Awards
If you are a 2nd or 3rd Flight is that worth anything to an owner and or consumer in the future if it is not Top Flight?
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Yes, particularly if the car is a Bowtie/Survivor car. It also serves to give notice that this is NOT me saying BS about my car, it's what other people think of it.Last edited by Loren L.; July 19, 2011, 07:16 AM. -
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It's obviously a matter of personal preference.
Top flight cars sure are purdy, but they just represent the restorer's interpretation of how Corvettes were manufactured.
My own preference is to own a solid, unrestored Corvette that might score no higher than a 2nd flight. This will be a car that is genuine and the Real Deal. As a bonus, you can drive and enjoy it with impunity. I'd pay more for such a car.
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The point of the judging is that it happened and is documented. I found it gives a prospective buyer a very good view of the car and that is valuable, if the car is still essentially the same as when judged
. Those judging sheets have a huge amount of info about the car. I recently sold a 92 point '66, it sold for about what it would have if it were top flight, according to the dealer and buyer. But having those sheets was a real plus for the buyer. But I would say you should make the car they way you want it and enjoy it, don't obsess about top flight vs. 2nd.
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All Flight certificates have the same relative value after the car has left the judging field.Comment
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The judging process will provide some sense of validity as to the accuracy and condition of the components of the car. I have two unrestored c2's
which are both top flight and bloomington benchmark cars mostly original and as you have stated "the real deal". I beleive there is value added to
judging a car and achieving the highest score possible. You can have genuine cars that do top flight, bowtie and bloomington benchmark. I drive my cars and definitely enjoy them. They are not for sale.Barn finds are still out there. Enjoy!Comment
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Maybe, but only maybe.
My '60 is an original engine fuelie. In fact, everything except the consumables, radiator, and generator are original to the car. Last time I subjected it to the judging process, a pompous, self-proclaimed engine pad expert pronounced the engine a re-stamp. It's not.
I knew more about the accuracy of what is on my car than did this individual who was there to "validate" what I had.
My '63 is another example of a car that has all its original mechanical parts except for consumables, radiator (which is in storage), and alternator. An early car, there are a few '62-ish engine traits. The master judge who reviewed the mechanicals knew nothing that wasn't in the judging guide and wouldn't recognize the '62-ish features.
It was "deja vu all over again".
Um, if the vehicle is for sale, then sure, I can agree. None of my cars are for sale and, for the ones I've had judged, the process they've endured has added no detectable value and taught me nothing useful.I beleive there is value added to
judging a car and achieving the highest score possible.
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Its a volunteer organization and you will get a variety of knowledge levels during the judging process. I am a judge (level 8) and have taken 4 cars thru the process and achieved Duntov status and yes I have encountered good judges, pompous judges, and knowledgeable judges. Comes with the territory. I try to be as knowledgeable as the judges and understand the process to make it enjoyable.I am sorry you have not learned anything from the experience, I have.Comment
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I used to judge at every opportunity.... at club, regional, and at national events. I learned volumes because I've judged with the best.... Art Senn, Dr. Ed Gurdjian, Noland, and others of equal skill and clear-headedness. So I'm pretty sure I know what high quality judging looks like.
Had I encountered judges of the same caliber when I had my own vehicles scrutinized, I'd feel differently about the worth of the process.
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Which brings up the point that engine pads are worth relatively few points in judging. Adding this to the fact that they are not authenticated or certified in any way just makes me wonder. There again, many things make me wonder.
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It's not about points.
The results of the judging at an NCRS event are just a brief moment in time. The lasting effects, however, go on for years.
Again, it's not about points. It's about accuracy, and that's what the organization was all about back in the 70's.
If an experienced "numbers judge" isn't available at an NCRS event, wouldn't it be better to just not judge the engine pad?Last edited by Michael H.; July 20, 2011, 10:19 AM.Comment
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