Question regarding 1966 engine block judging scenario

[Michael W.]

Re: Question regarding 1966 engine block judging scenario

But I still fail to understand why the lack of knowledge of an owner should be used against them in judging.

Last post and then I'm just plain out of ideas. An erroneous belief isn't held against the owner. Again- think of a car with a blank pad and go from there.

[Terry M.]

Re: Question regarding 1966 engine block judging scenario

Again, I have, several including advanced ones and as an observer judge, some taught by Roy Sinor himself at regionals. But I still fail to understand why the lack of knowledge of an owner should be used against them in judging.

Lack of knowledge isn't used against an owner, as you found out. But after several judgings (or maybe even only one) you ought to be able to tell us what you think you have.

[Michael J.]

Re: Question regarding 1966 engine block judging scenario

Mike,

The "green sheet" doesn't come back to you. It goes to the NCRS Judging office and is filed there. I put "green sheet" in quotes because while it is often green it sometimes is copied on other color paper depending on where the blank form originates.

In my statement that the NCRS Judging System failed you, I didn't mean to imply you may have not have had a positive experience. I simply meant that the system did not work the way it is supposed to. Would your experience have been enhanced if the system worked the way it was supposed to? No way to tell now. That toothpaste is out of the tube. Would your experience have been less if you declared some engine size and horsepower? Again there is no way to tell, but I doubt it would have made a difference. We will never know either way.

If you are happy, I guess at this point that is all that matters in your case.

In almost 15 years as National Team Leader I never had a case where the owner stated the engine was one thing and the judges determined it to be something else, and I had blank pads, pads with rotary marks and stamps present, and pads with the right code and VIN different from the VIN of the car. (We almost missed the last one, but that is another story. ) I won't say I have seen all the deviations there can be. I am still learning every day.

I am happy and pleased with everything I have done with NCRS. I think the judges have a very tough job since many big point items are very subjective where facts and obvious distinctions are lacking. I have seen this with my cars over the last 3 years, with paint and engine pad going from OK to NTP and back again.

It is good that no owners are ignorant of their cars to the point of stating they had a certain engine and that not being the case. But hopefully, if the scenario I mentioned, or a more probable one, like a person claiming an L71 and having an L68, were to arise, the judges would use good judgement and not hammer the owner for being a novice. Cheers and thanks for your input.

[Michael J.]

Re: Question regarding 1966 engine block judging scenario

Last post and then I'm just plain out of ideas. An erroneous belief isn't held against the owner. Again- think of a car with a blank pad and go from there.

OK, got it, glad to hear that, thanks.

[Michael J.]

Re: Question regarding 1966 engine block judging scenario

Lack of knowledge isn't used against an owner, as you found out. But after several judgings (or maybe even only one) you ought to be able to tell us what you think you have.

Yes, I agree with that. I was just thinking of the original question here, stating an L72 but having an L36. Hopefully that situation would never arise.