67 Kick Panel Screws

[Alan D.]

Re: 67 Kick Panel Screws

Jerry, I follow and agree with all you have said (& before, sorry)
My major point is that the 9417987 was just a screw and not an assembly consisting of a screw and cone washer, that's how the repo houses make them. Your past picture of 4751359 is what I have.

As you say "On my original 67 kick panels, there is no need for the beveled washer to secure the carpet to the backing. My original kick panels have a ferrule going through both the carpet and the backing in all six positions, which is crimped, or beveled, on both sides. Looks like a hollow rivet, hollow all the way through." And that's how the 63/64 kick panels were also made.

That was the only point I attempted to make, ie original kick panels were assembled with the "ferrule going through both the carpet and the backing" The production line just added the screws.

Now after all of this - once installed nobody can tell! The weave of the carpet will be the dead give away that its a repo piece.

[Kirk M.]

Re: 67 Kick Panel Screws

Anybody make those ferrules?

Kirk

[Ray G.]

Re: 67 Kick Panel Screws

Kirk,

"My late 67 came with the 6 screws alike per the AIM and JG. Shoulder headed phillips screws with integral washers".

The change in the AIM (ASM 1 E1) to 6 alike is dated 6-17-66. However that doesn't mean it was immediately implemented. The 67 JG admits this, that examples of the 4 of one type and two of the other with beveled washers is common.

So, with the language in the JG, I don't see how they could ding you either way, especially with 4 and 2 on an early 67.

Hello Gerald;
Do have pictures available ?
Thanks.
Ray

[Alan D.]

Re: 67 Kick Panel Screws

The product from LI is very good (others may also be too)
The original screws are on the bottom. Note the kit comes with chrome cones (ferrules) which may be used to hold the carpet and backing, have not tried that. Kit for 63/64 car however same pn were used up till 67.

[Rich P.]

Re: 67 Kick Panel Screws

Here is a shot of the big and small screws.

Rich

[Gerard F.]

Re: 67 Kick Panel Screws

Ray,Alan,

Here's a closeup of Repro vs Original 67 Kick Panel screw:



Repro on the left (I think from Zip some years ago), Original on the right. When I redid my original carpets about 8-9 years ago on my 67, I noticed the difference in the screws. So I reused my original screws, just took one off to take the photo.

All six on each side were alike per the change in the AIM. No beveled screws with the cone washers.

Here's a photo of my original left side kick panel next to a repro on the left:



You can really see the difference in the carpet weave, and the difference in the eyelets (or what I call ferrules through the carpet and backing).

Here's the back for the record:



The repro I have doesn't have the bottom center eyelet but it has a hole in the backing for the screw.

Just having fun on a rainy day

[Alan D.]

Re: 67 Kick Panel Screws

The LI screws I showed above are almost perfect unlike the repo they sent you. Interesting that my original and the LI screws are more of a self taping design with a "point A" By 67 it appears GM used more of std machine screw (8-32?) however the part number never changed.


One thing that still confuses me - since the eyelet is still part of the 67 Kick Panel as it was in 64 why add a screw with a second eyelet (washer)???
In 63 & 64 the door panels also used an eyelet and the screws did not have a second eyelet! Just finding it hard to understand why a second eyelet was used (I do not recall any existing in my car)

[Kirk M.]

Re: 67 Kick Panel Screws

So, Jerry, all 67 kick panels should have those ferrules in place?

Kirk

[Gerard F.]

Re: 67 Kick Panel Screws

Kirk,

Can't vouch for all 67's, but my originals had the ferrules or eyelets through the carpet and backing, in all six positions.

I imagine that they served a purpose in marking the positions of the holes, and protected the carpet on the panels during drilling of the holes and installation at the factory.

When I did my first carpet set, I had repro kick panels with only 5 of the eyelets, with the center bottom one missing. So for the center bottom, I just awled through to find the hole, and then set the screw with a drill-driver. Wrong method, I pulled one of the carpet threads and put a 3" flaw in the kick panel carpeting. You should have heard me cursing

So if the eyelet is missing on the repro kick panel, make sure you punch the hole through the carpet, heat treat it or add a eyelet. The repro's I have, have the hole marked on the backing.

[Wayne W.]

Re: 67 Kick Panel Screws

The ferrules or eyelets were there mainly to keep from winding the carpet up on the screw and pulling the tufts out of the carpet.

[Kirk M.]

Re: 67 Kick Panel Screws

Gerry,

Those look like simple eyelets in the kickpanel. Hate to ask it, but could you measure the diameter of one, maybe I could just purchase an appropriate sized eyelet and install it in my kickpanels. I just need an estimate on size. Looks like an outer diameter to edges of the flange and inner diameter of the actual hole would get me in the ball park. Thanks.

Kirk

[Gerard F.]

Re: 67 Kick Panel Screws

Gerry,

Those look like simple eyelets in the kickpanel. Hate to ask it, but could you measure the diameter of one, maybe I could just purchase an appropriate sized eyelet and install it in my kickpanels. I just need an estimate on size. Looks like an outer diameter to edges of the flange and inner diameter of the actual hole would get me in the ball park. Thanks.

Kirk

Kirk,

The original 67 kickpanels have one piece post/eyelets which are flared on the carpet side, as follows:

I/S diameter (hole) 3/16"
O/S diameter-backing side- 5/16"
O/S diameter-carpet side flared-3/8"
Compressed height-3/16"

The repros I have, seem to have modern day eyelets 1/4" I/S diameter,
3/8" O/S diameter both sides, no flare,straight through.

Try googling, post/eyelets.

[Kirk M.]

Re: 67 Kick Panel Screws

Jerry,

By flared do you mean like the bell of a trumpet rather than rolled over like the typical eyelet? So, the back is like a standard eyelet and the carpet face is flared like a trumpet horn.


Kirk

[Gerard F.]

Re: 67 Kick Panel Screws

Jerry,

By flared do you mean like the bell of a trumpet rather than rolled over like the typical eyelet? So, the back is like a standard eyelet and the carpet face is flared like a trumpet horn.


Kirk

Yes you have it right, like the bell of a trumpet on the carpet side, standard eyelet on the back side.

They look like they were installed from the back as a straight tube, then the carpet face was rolled into a trumpet horn shape with a riveting tool.

The flanged head screw and washer would then cover and rest on the edges of the horn.

[Kirk M.]

Re: 67 Kick Panel Screws

Thanks, I will see if I can get that made.

Kirk