67 Kick Panel Screws

[Kirk M.]

What is the typical pattern for 67 kick panel screws? If you use 4 Phillips screws with integral washers and two Phillips screws with beveled washers. I know that 3 integral washer screws go along the edge but does the 4th usually go at the top along the air vent with the two beveled head screws along the bottom through the carpet?

Interestingly enough the Aim appears to call for six screws all of the same type (E1) 4751359.

Thanks.


Kirk

[Jim D.]

Re: 67 Kick Panel Screws

On my 65, the 4th screw with the integral washer is in the forward most hole, under the vent. The kick panels have never been removed so I'll assume they are correct.

[Michael M.]

Re: 67 Kick Panel Screws

The fourth screw goes on the bottom about half way back on the kick panel. The different two screws go on the bottom and side of the air vent through the kick panel.

[Kirk M.]

Re: 67 Kick Panel Screws

Thanks. That makes it easy. The two beveled screws go around the vent and fourth integral goes through the carpet on the bottom 1/2 back on the kick panel.

Kirk

[Jim D.]

Re: 67 Kick Panel Screws

67's must be different. I checked the AIM for 65 and the orientation of the screws are how mine are, the 4th shouldered screw goes in the bottom, forward hole UNDER the vent. The 2 chrome phillips screws go in the very top and the center bottom.

[Gerard F.]

Re: 67 Kick Panel Screws

What is the typical pattern for 67 kick panel screws? If you use 4 Phillips screws with integral washers and two Phillips screws with beveled washers. I know that 3 integral washer screws go along the edge but does the 4th usually go at the top along the air vent with the two beveled head screws along the bottom through the carpet?

Interestingly enough the Aim appears to call for six screws all of the same type (E1) 4751359.

Thanks.


Kirk

Kirk,

My late 67 came with the 6 screws alike per the AIM and JG. Shoulder headed phillips screws with integral washers.

The change in the AIM (ASM 1 E1) to 6 alike is dated 6-17-66. However that doesn't mean it was immediately implemented. The 67 JG admits this, that examples of the 4 of one type and two of the other with beveled washers is common.

So, with the language in the JG, I don't see how they could ding you either way, especially with 4 and 2 on an early 67.

[Kirk M.]

Re: 67 Kick Panel Screws

Anyone else with a 67 out there to confirm which configuration is most commonly observed. I thought the beveled screws were for the carpet sections of the kick panel, so the one in the bottom center should be a beveled screw. But I have no proof of that.

Kirk

[Kirk M.]

Re: 67 Kick Panel Screws

Kirk,

My late 67 came with the 6 screws alike per the AIM and JG. Shoulder headed phillips screws with integral washers.

The change in the AIM (ASM 1 E1) to 6 alike is dated 6-17-66. However that doesn't mean it was immediately implemented. The 67 JG admits this, that examples of the 4 of one type and two of the other with beveled washers is common.

So, with the language in the JG, I don't see how they could ding you either way, especially with 4 and 2 on an early 67.

Gerry,

I have all six the same as the JG and was told the ones through the carpet should be the beveled type. Considering the make-up of the kick panel, I wasn't sure which (except for the one in the middle bottom) what exactly that that meant, especially since the pattern was 4 and 2. A 3 and 3 pattern would have made more sense. Since my car is an April of 67, couldn't I just have all 6 the same and be correct?

Kirk

[Gerard F.]

Re: 67 Kick Panel Screws

If you have the beveled washer screws they should go in the top center and bottom center, as Jim says. Take a look at the AIM where the change was made to the 6 alike.

[Gerard F.]

Re: 67 Kick Panel Screws

Kirk,

You should be correct with all six alike per the AIM and the JG. All 6 shoulder head phillips.

I have my original kick panels and backing (in a box on the garage shelf) and they have these ferrules through the backing and original carpeting in all six positions.

Reproduction kick panels don't come this way, at least the one's I have seen.

[Kirk M.]

Re: 67 Kick Panel Screws

OK, I'm learning something here. So, in the Aim E1 it shows two of the six screws marked as 8 in box having a 2 in a circle next to them. The one at the top next to the vent and the one through the carpet in bottom middle. So, if I look at the revision table on that page it states "SYM 8 WAS SYM 9 (2 PLACES). What you're saying is prior to the date of that change 6/17/66, those two screws were of the beveled type, but subsequent to that date they would/could all be of the fixed washer type. Slowly, these sheets are actually beginning to make sense. Thanks.


Kirk

[Gerard F.]

Re: 67 Kick Panel Screws

Kirk,

I think you got it

They probably had a lot of those beveled washer screws left over in 67, so they used them for the door panel at the rear of the panel near the door opening, in lieu of implementing the elaborate clip arrangement shown on K15, View B, Detail 23.

When they ran out of beveled washer screws, they used a radio side panel screw, or the shoulder headed trim screw like the other kick panel screws at the door panel location.

On my late June 67, I found a beveled washer screw on the driver side door panel, and a radio side panel screw on the passenger side.

Take a close look at drawing K15 in the 67 AIM. See if you can find a callout of the screw at the rear of the door panel. I don't think you'll find it. But I've been wrong before

[Alan D.]

Re: 67 Kick Panel Screws

Well things are getting a little confusing here so . . .
The screw which everyone is calling the " beveled washer screws" are these the 9417987 ?? If so as Jerry alluded to they are just oval head chrome screws - they do NOT have a washer under or attached to them!

The chrome cone shaped washer was used like a rivet to secure the carpet to the cardboard type backing. All the original kick panels I have seen have been constructed as such, even those holes not using the oval head screws used the cone shaped washer. That technique was also used on the 63/64 door panels.

During the discussion if the pn's could be listed I know it would help me since my knowledge is more applicable to 63/64. ty

[Kirk M.]

Re: 67 Kick Panel Screws

Alan,

Don't know about the part number you gave (Gerry?). The screws I have came with a small beveled-headed washer.

Kirk

[Gerard F.]

Re: 67 Kick Panel Screws

Well things are getting a little confusing here so . . .
The screw which everyone is calling the " beveled washer screws" are these the 9417987 ?? If so as Jerry alluded to they are just oval head chrome screws - they do NOT have a washer under or attached to them!

The chrome cone shaped washer was used like a rivet to secure the carpet to the cardboard type backing. All the original kick panels I have seen have been constructed as such, even those holes not using the oval head screws used the cone shaped washer. That technique was also used on the 63/64 door panels.

During the discussion if the pn's could be listed I know it would help me since my knowledge is more applicable to 63/64. ty

Alan,

That 9417987 is the screw I'm calling the beveled washer screw, and which is shown to be deleted in the 67 AIM. I believe they did have a beveled washer with them, as do the reproductions.

The six alike screws called out in the AIM and the 67 JG, have a part number of 4751359, if I am reading the AIM correctly.

Take a look at the first archived thread below. I think we went through this issue before, and in that thread are photos of the six alike screws and a close up of the head of one of them.

On my original 67 kick panels, there is no need for the beveled washer to secure the carpet to the backing. My original kick panels have a ferrule going through both the carpet and the backing in all six positions, which is crimped, or beveled, on both sides. Looks like a hollow rivet, hollow all the way through. When I get home tonight, or maybe tomorrow, I'll get a picture of the kick panels and post it.

Regards,