Deduct for non-tinted repop 67 windshields?

[Chris E.]

Has anyone had a non-tinted 67 windshield run through judging lately? My car with a repop tinted windshield took a 10 point originality deduct, and the gasket took a 1 point deduct for excessive weatherstripping goop.

I'm seriously contemplating replacing the essentially brand new windshield to recover those 10 points. The reason? I'm trying for Duntov, and my paint (at best) will get a 22 point deduct. I need as many points as I can. And the windshield is my biggest area of opportunity. Everything else (outside of battery at 8 points) is either 2 or 1 each.

So, if I get a repop NON-tinted windshield, will it get a zero point deduct?

Thoughts?

[Brian K.]

Re: Deduct for non-tinted repop 67 windshields?

Chris, just thought I would give you a bump up on the list. I think you have an interesting question. Sincerely Brian

[Chris E.]

Re: Deduct for non-tinted repop 67 windshields?

Thanks Brian. I'm a little surprised no one has responded.

Has anyone had a NON-tinted windshield through either Regional or National judging lately?

[Scott S.]

Re: Deduct for non-tinted repop 67 windshields?

Thanks Brian. I'm a little surprised no one has responded.

Has anyone had a NON-tinted windshield through either Regional or National judging lately?

Hi Chris,

If you check this link, it has a detailed write-up by one of the CF members on the installation of a TINTED Pilkington replacement windshield to replace an original non-tinted windshield. He shows photos of the differences between the original glass and the replacement glass. I remembered this link because of another Thread this evening, and thought it might be helpful for you too:

http://www.stl-vettes.com/65Vette/windshield/windshield.htm

The original glass is thicker (.291" vs. .253"), and as mentioned, the original being replaced was clear, but I think the main difference I notice between a replacement tinted windshield and an original tinted windshield is the coloration. It's hard to tell from the picture, but the color of the tint on the replacement glass almost seems to have a bluish-hue to it, while the original tinted glass has more of a greenish-tint. Also, I think the distinction between the more darkly shaded area along the top and the rest of the windshield is more gradual and less abrupt on the original tinted windshields. It has been a while since I looked closely at mine though, and that was indoors in bad lighting. If my memory is incorrect, someone please set the record straight.

[Chris E.]

Re: Deduct for non-tinted repop 67 windshields?

Scott, thanks but I'm wondering about the deduct (if any) for a NON-tinted windshield.

[Steve B.]

Re: Deduct for non-tinted repop 67 windshields?

Chris, just thought I would give you a bump up on the list. I think you have an interesting question. Sincerely Brian

I would also like to know the answer to this.

[Gene M.]

Re: Deduct for non-tinted repop 67 windshields?

I think the non tinted windshield is standard equiptment. As standard equiptment the side window glass is clear too.

I think the tinted windshield is a seperate option. Also available with all tinted glass. But I don't think you can have side windows tinted and not have a tinted windshield.

So clear glass windshield and tinted side glass is not an option.

[John H.]

Re: Deduct for non-tinted repop 67 windshields?

If the logo and date is correct, why would there be any deduction? There's no tint band to worry about.

[Jeff B.]

Re: Deduct for non-tinted repop 67 windshields?

I agree with John, the basis of the deduction of my tinted windshield was the pattern of the tint band. I had done lot of research and found what I thought was a really good recreation of the tinting, but the judges at the regional did not like it and I took a similar deduct. Still got a 97.5 though. I would guess that a clear windshield would be very hard to fault if the stamping was correct, they dont' measure the thickness. I'm also working towards the Duntov on my 1964, but on the other hand I like the tinted windshield. Don't loose sight of the fact that you have to like YOUR car. You can loose 135 points and still have the Duntov level score. Changing a windshied is a risky operation and carries the possibility of trim and paint damage if a mistake is made. How about getting the points somewhere else?

[Steve B.]

Re: Deduct for non-tinted repop 67 windshields?

If the logo and date is correct, why would there be any deduction? There's no tint band to worry about.

That's what I thought but I did not want to make any assumptions.

[Chris E.]

Re: Deduct for non-tinted repop 67 windshields?

I agree with John, the basis of the deduction of my tinted windshield was the pattern of the tint band. I had done lot of research and found what I thought was a really good recreation of the tinting, but the judges at the regional did not like it and I took a similar deduct. Still got a 97.5 though. I would guess that a clear windshield would be very hard to fault if the stamping was correct, they dont' measure the thickness. I'm also working towards the Duntov on my 1964, but on the other hand I like the tinted windshield. Don't loose sight of the fact that you have to like YOUR car. You can loose 135 points and still have the Duntov level score. Changing a windshied is a risky operation and carries the possibility of trim and paint damage if a mistake is made. How about getting the points somewhere else?

Jeff, understood. The issue is that I missed my 97% by 22 points at the Des Moines Regional. Since then, I have spent some time working on the car and have recovered 20 of those 22.

Beyond that, to pick up more points, outside of the battery at 8 points and my paint (BC/CC) at 22, ALL of my deductions that I can pick back up are either 1 or 2 points at a time. The windshield is 11. (10 for the deduct for the tint band and 1 for excessive windshield sealant "goop" on my car)

I want to go to my next Regional with THE BEST shot at getting a 97 as possible. Plus, the one thing that putting the car on a trailer and taking to a show has taught me is that STUFF BREAKS IN TRANSIT. The first time to Iowa (Chapter) I lost a fuse and a turn signal switch. The second time to Iowa (Regional) I lost the horn functionality, and the squirters.

All that said, meaning that I can't just simply recover the 22 points I missed in Iowa and hope to get a 97%. I need a cushion. The windshield can provide that.

Plus, on the "you have to live with your car" comment, I would be fine with a non-tinted windshield in this car. Most of the time I'm driving the car, the sun is up over the top of the glass (and my sunglasses) anyway. No big deal.

So, overall, it sounds like NO DEDUCT FOR A NON-TINTED WINDSHIELD, eh? That's what I expected to hear.

[Tony S.]

Re: Deduct for non-tinted repop 67 windshields?

Hey Chris. Good question.

Was your car equipped with option A01 (tinted glass--all windows)? If it is, then you'd be subject to a 20 percent originality deduction for your windshield (remember: cdcif). If your side windows are tinted, your windshield would have to be tinted too. Under this example, an untinted windshield would not be configured correctly.

If none of your glass is tinted, then you could claim that your car had neither the A01 or the A02 option, which means no originality deduct ( assuming that the judges liked your logo and date stamp of course).

Good luck!
Tony

[Chris E.]

Re: Deduct for non-tinted repop 67 windshields?

My car originally had (according to the tank sticker) a tinted windshield ONLY. Good question Tony. 3 of the 4 side panels of glass are ORIGINAL to the car. Only the one with the NCRS sticker on it is not original to the car.

I'm thinking I can swap the tinted windshield for a non-tinted windshield and get my 11 points back.

[Terry B.]

Re: Deduct for non-tinted repop 67 windshields?

I am also considering doing the same with replacing my windshield to pick up some points however there are still things to consider with the replacement windshields. Will the logo and date code stamping pass judging? I would like a sample to run past a master level exterior judge before I buy it. Will the installation be "like the factory?" I would try to get a picture or 2 of a bowtie car of your year to show the installers.

I don't like surprises on things I have spent big money to correct. Just my 2 cents. Good luck and keep us posted.

[Tony S.]

Re: Deduct for non-tinted repop 67 windshields?

Chris. Sounds like you can put on a non-tinted window that is properly logo'd (is that a verb?) and you'll be in like Flint.

I'm planning on seeing you at Novi.

Tony