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  • Joe C.
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    • August 31, 1999
    • 4598

    #16
    Re: 67 L-79 vacuum advance canister

    Originally posted by Lawrence Shaw (22476)
    No more than 750.
    Then in that case, enjoy your new cam. The Nostalgia Plus series from Comp Cams will give idle characteristics very similar to the cam it's emulating. At the same time, it will allow your engine to develop more torque across the entire rev range, than the original cam. This also results in increased horsepower, because that improved torque is carried somewhat higher in the rev range than the original. Your cam has significantly faster ramps than the original L79 cam, which allows for a narrower lobe centerline than the original. These two items combine to give very similar overlap to the original, which contributes much to emulating the original idle cadence/note/vacuum. The tighter LSA also enables earlier inlet valve closing, to give more cylinder pressure. The Nostalgia Plus series also delivers slightly more valve lift, at least, in the solid tappet designs, because of tighter lash requirements.

    Is there a downside to all of these benefits? You bet. The faster ramps generally require stiffer valve springs, and the faster ramps, combined with stiffer springs will cause accelerated seat recession, and accelerated lobe wear. How much? Well, if you are careful in your valve spring selection, and give serious thought to utilizing beehive springs, then the accelerated wear will be minimized to near zero. If you use the lightest conventional spring (in your case, a single spring with damper should be all that is required) possible to achieve valvetrain control, then the wear rate may approach 30-40 per cent faster than the original cam/lifter/spring/retainer setup.

    What this means, is that if you use beehive springs, which have less mass than conventionals, and use a smaller/lighter retainer as well, then valvetrain control can be achieved with lighter spring pressures as required for conventional springs. If you go this route, you can expect 100,000 or more valvetrain trouble free miles from your engine. If you use conventional springs, then you can expect 60,000-70,000 valvetrain trouble free miles from your engine.

    ######: This is all contingent on the assumption that you use motor oil with at least 1100 ppm ZDDP content, and change your oil at regular intervals.

    Now, the next question is: "How many more years do you expect to be driving?"

    Let's see.......worst case 60,000/750 = 80 years.
    Last edited by Joe C.; September 1, 2010, 01:19 PM.

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    • Lawrence S.
      Very Frequent User
      • April 1, 1993
      • 801

      #17
      Re: 67 L-79 vacuum advance canister

      Originally posted by Joe Ciaravino (32899)
      Then in that case, enjoy your new cam. The Nostalgia Plus series from Comp Cams will give idle characteristics very similar to the cam it's emulating. At the same time, it will allow your engine to develop more torque across the entire rev range, than the original cam. This also results in increased horsepower, because that improved torque is carried somewhat higher in the rev range than the original. Your cam has significantly faster ramps than the original L79 cam, which allows for a narrower lobe centerline than the original. These two items combine to give very similar overlap to the original, which contributes much to emulating the original idle cadence/note/vacuum. The tighter LSA also enables earlier inlet valve closing, to give more cylinder pressure. The Nostalgia Plus series also delivers slightly more valve lift, at least, in the solid tappet designs, because of tighter lash requirements.

      Is there a downside to all of these benefits? You bet. The faster ramps generally require stiffer valve springs, and the faster ramps, combined with stiffer springs will cause accelerated seat recession, and accelerated lobe wear. How much? Well, if you are careful in your valve spring selection, and give serious thought to utilizing beehive springs, then the accelerated wear will be minimized to near zero. If you use the lightest conventional spring (in your case, a single spring with damper should be all that is required) possible to achieve valvetrain control, then the wear rate may approach 30-40 per cent faster than the original cam/lifter/spring/retainer setup.

      What this means, is that if you use beehive springs, which have less mass than conventionals, and use a smaller/lighter retainer as well, then valvetrain control can be achieved with lighter spring pressures as required for conventional springs. If you go this route, you can expect 100,000 or more valvetrain trouble free miles from your engine. If you use conventional springs, then you can expect 60,000-70,000 valvetrain trouble free miles from your engine.

      ######: This is all contingent on the assumption that you use motor oil with at least 1100 ppm ZDDP content, and change your oil at regular intervals.

      Now, the next question is: "How many more years do you expect to be driving?"

      Let's see.......worst case 60,000/750 = 80 years.
      Joe that is great info...thank you.

      When I bought the CAM I purchased the entire kit from Comp Cams so perhaps the beehive springs came with the kit. I don't know.

      I change my oil regularly and use Comp Cam additive or will use in the future either Joe Gibbs Racing Oil or Brad Penn or the Comp Cam oil.

      What do you think of the Valvoline VR-1 racing oil that has ZDDP in it? 20w-50?

      Thanks,

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      • Joe C.
        Expired
        • August 31, 1999
        • 4598

        #18
        Re: 67 L-79 vacuum advance canister

        Originally posted by Lawrence Shaw (22476)
        Joe that is great info...thank you.

        When I bought the CAM I purchased the entire kit from Comp Cams so perhaps the beehive springs came with the kit. I don't know.

        I change my oil regularly and use Comp Cam additive or will use in the future either Joe Gibbs Racing Oil or Brad Penn or the Comp Cam oil.

        What do you think of the Valvoline VR-1 racing oil that has ZDDP in it? 20w-50?

        Thanks,
        During cam break in, much higher levels of ZDDP are needed. After cam break in, the Rotella should be fine for a vintage, OEM flat tappet cam at around 1100 ppm ZDDP (this is about 10-15 per cent lower than the CI-4 levels). Since ZDDP is sacrificial, the levels diminish as the engine is run, so higher levels are not a bad idea. The old API CI-4 service rating called for a minimum of about 1300 ppm ZDDP, which would be OK for a non-race, aftermarket camshaft like yours. CI-4 oil can probably be found with a diligent search. If you can't find old stock CI-4 oil, then I like the Brad Penn Grade 1 oil, which is mineral based. A good ZDDP rich, FULL SYNTHETIC oil is Mobil 1 15W-50, which is generally available at Walmart for 22.00/5 quart jug. Don't worry about the high viscosity index unless you drive your car in temps below about 50 degrees.

        Here are a few relevant websites:







        Here is the cam card for your cam, and it does not call for beehive springs. I very much doubt that your engine was built using them, considering the added expense:

        http://www.compcams.com/Company/CC/c...?csid=110&sb=0

        Hopefully, the 981-16 (or equivalent) springs were used. By comparison, the OEM Chevy 3911068 springs are 80 @ 1.700 and 200 @ 1.250.

        The Valvoline looks like it contains 1300/1200 zn/p, which is about the same as the Joe Gibbs/Brad Penn and Mobil 1 Race Full Synthetic, which are all about at the same levels as the old API CI-4 spec. Any of these are better for your more aggressive cam than the Rotella 15W-40 (which I use in my 1985 Corvette with OEM camshaft). The Joe Gibbs and Brad Penn are both mineral based and available in 10W-30, but the price per ounce is about the same as the fully synthetic Mobil 1 if you buy it "right" at Wally Mart!

        I don't like ZDDP additives and agree with some here who say that the oil is better engineered as a complete package.
        Last edited by Joe C.; September 1, 2010, 08:01 PM.

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        • Ronald L.
          Extremely Frequent Poster
          • October 18, 2009
          • 3248

          #19
          Re: 67 L-79 vacuum advance canister

          OK this thread started on C2 vac cans.

          The 1966 427/390 HP uses this same Vac Can....355

          Is there an accurate reproduction - that functions as intended???

          Duke - that was the root of all the problems on the other thread.

          Tip - suck on the hose - if you suck air, the vac van is bad.

          Unfortunately it took 20 days to get to that experienced guys' tip.

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