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  • Wayne M.
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    • March 1, 1980
    • 6414

    #31
    Re: big tank repair

    Originally posted by Mike McCagh (14)
    here's another sign of real 36 gal tankers: no evidence of the holes for the rivets that fasten the metal reinforcement plate to the back side of the partition between the cockpit and the area where a non-36 gal tank resides.

    Here's a blow-up of the area that Mike's discussing. The hole for the filler pipe would interfere with the reinforcement, so it was deleted; hence no rivets or evidence of filled holes. Note the original tower clamp on the filler overflow tube -- never been removed . Also the N(backwards)03 with the nut plates riveted AFTER the crayon marking.

    But wasn't this reinforcement a feature added later on in '63 production ? Noland's vol 2 pg. 22 shows convertible body #358 in crayon directly where the reinforcement would be.


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    • James G.
      Extremely Frequent Poster
      • May 31, 1976
      • 1556

      #32
      Re: big tank repair

      Originally posted by Wayne Midkiff (3437)
      Here's a blow-up of the area that Mike's discussing. The hole for the filler pipe would interfere with the reinforcement, so it was deleted; hence no rivets or evidence of filled holes. Note the original tower clamp on the filler overflow tube -- never been removed . Also the N(backwards)03 with the nut plates riveted AFTER the crayon marking.

      But wasn't this reinforcement a feature added later on in '63 production ? Noland's vol 2 pg. 22 shows convertible body #358 in crayon directly where the reinforcement would be.


      NEW QUESTION MIKE? Isn't the rear bulkhead of Z0-6 big tank cars "NON RIBBED"? Cars I have seen, have no ribs, and they rubbed on the tanks and created leaks.
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      • Domenic T.
        Expired
        • January 29, 2010
        • 2452

        #33
        Re: big tank repair

        Slush the tank like Joe says. Contact a company that glass lines large tanks that store gas and see what resin they use. I have been in aviation where many airplanes have bladder tanks. They are a royal pain and are replaced as they do not live that long. If they dont rot away first, you chase leaks every other year. Also they don't just sit still and have mounting tabs to keep them in place. I think we are all familiar with fiberglass repair in this forum and I would do a slush. Epoxy can be put over fiber glass and is another option.

        DOM

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        • Sander B.
          Expired
          • March 1, 2005
          • 499

          #34
          Re: big tank repair

          Ron,
          i dont know if this product or similair kind is available on the us market
          its an epoxy tank sealer http://www.tankcure.com/Engels/indexuk.html ( its a dutch company but I could help to get it to you ?)

          i have used it for several tanks in the past ist easy to apply
          basically you will get a new tank in your old tank .
          when you apply the resin in the tank you need to flip it over for several minutes, so it wil get in every corner. when thats done you remove all of
          the excess resin and let it dry for a day.

          and your tank is sealed like new

          Sander,
          Last edited by Sander B.; September 4, 2010, 12:34 PM.

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          • Ron R.
            Very Frequent User
            • May 31, 1993
            • 190

            #35
            Re: big tank repair

            Originally posted by Mike McCagh (14)
            here's another sign of real 36 gall tankers: no evidence of the holes for the rivets that fasten the metal reinforcement plate to the back side of the partition between the cockpit and the area where a non-36 gal tank resides. mike
            Mike, as far I could tell my reinforcement plates appear just like yours, except the small tube with the clamp, my car has a maybe 1 to 2 inch hose but no clamp attached, and their appears to be a small hose along side the large gas filler line which also goes thru the bulkhead inside the car, as a side note the fellows who have seen pictures are one of the Nabor brothers, K D James in person, and Kevin McKay saw pictures. All agreed based on what they saw they confirmed it looked like an original big tank car......Only problem was the production date......

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            • Ron R.
              Very Frequent User
              • May 31, 1993
              • 190

              #36
              Re: big tank repair

              Originally posted by Bob Jorjorian (1619)
              If your car was built the first week of November, with a 36 gallon tank, it HAS to be a Z06. Bob
              Bob, I was under the impression that their was none produced in November. Also, I was told that based on the way the power brake booster was attached that it could not be a Z06 car, by looking down into the windshield wiper driver's vent.......

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              • Ron R.
                Very Frequent User
                • May 31, 1993
                • 190

                #37
                Re: big tank repair

                Only problem is the gas fittings in the bottom of the tank can't be removed, so hence, the epoxy would seal them also in the process of sealing the inside of the tank.....

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                • Bob J.
                  Very Frequent User
                  • December 1, 1977
                  • 714

                  #38
                  Re: big tank repair

                  Originally posted by Ron Reeves (22763)
                  Bob, I was under the impression that their was none produced in November. Also, I was told that based on the way the power brake booster was attached that it could not be a Z06 car, by looking down into the windshield wiper driver's vent.......

                  I think you were told incorrect info.
                  No cars prior to Jan 63 had 36 gallon tanks seperate. The early tanks and senders are unique parts.
                  If you send me your serial number (without the last digit), I'll see if I have GM paperwork on it.Bob

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                  • Wayne M.
                    Expired
                    • March 1, 1980
                    • 6414

                    #39
                    Re: big tank repair

                    Originally posted by Ron Reeves (22763)
                    ..... All agreed based on what they saw they confirmed it looked like an original big tank car......Only problem was the production date......
                    Ron -- I assume you (and the other referenced cognoscenti) are referring to the list of six periods of Z06 production, described in Noland's Vol 2, pg. 180 [which I'm certain was penned by Eric Gill -- see RESTORER Vol 8 # 3, Winter 1982].
                    -----------------------------------------
                    ".... the second group, produced in the last week of October 1962, consisted of 3 cars, VIN 2124, 02244 and one other.

                    ....third group of about 20 Z06's with VINs between 6208 and 6844, produced in early January 1963"
                    -----------------------------------------

                    My old big tank survey lists #3022, Silver-blue Z06, pb, no radio. Birthday calculators show this as 7th November. I'd have to dig into my old paperwork to see who gave me this info. You say yours was produced in the first week of November 1962; ie. Friday 1st or Monday 4th, thru Thurs 7th.

                    Suffice to say, just because 23-30 year old authoritative printed sources say only three were produced in group two, doesn't mean there is no chance for another, if group 2 extended for a 2-week period.

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                    • John H.
                      Beyond Control Poster
                      • December 1, 1997
                      • 16513

                      #40
                      Re: big tank repair

                      Originally posted by James Gessner (943)
                      Isn't the rear bulkhead of Z0-6 big tank cars "NON RIBBED"? Cars I have seen, have no ribs, and they rubbed on the tanks and created leaks.
                      Jim -

                      That photo is of the back side of the rear bulkhead, not the front side. The depressed portion of those vertical ribs on the front side of the bulkhead (where the tank was) were filled with bond and skived over smooth to provide an uninterrupted flat sealing surface for the rear flange on the N03 tank cover.

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                      • Domenic T.
                        Expired
                        • January 29, 2010
                        • 2452

                        #41
                        Re: big tank repair

                        That is not that big a problem. If the fitting is not removable you can regulate air thru the fitting or fish a wire thru the fitting and out the filler, attach a silicone plug and pull the wire till it plugs the fitting in the inside. Removing the plug is easy with air.

                        DOM

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                        • Ron R.
                          Very Frequent User
                          • May 31, 1993
                          • 190

                          #42
                          Re: big tank repair

                          [quote=Bob Jorjorian (1619);507505]I think you were told incorrect info.
                          No cars prior to Jan 63 had 36 gallon tanks seperate. The early tanks and senders are unique parts.
                          If you send me your serial number (without the last digit), I'll see if I have GM paperwork on it.Bob, the last 4 digits are 3022

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                          • Ron R.
                            Very Frequent User
                            • May 31, 1993
                            • 190

                            #43
                            Re: big tank repair

                            Bob, the last 4 digits are 3022

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                            • Ron R.
                              Very Frequent User
                              • May 31, 1993
                              • 190

                              #44
                              Re: big tank repair

                              Originally posted by Domenic Tallarita (51287)
                              That is not that big a problem. If the fitting is not removable you can regulate air thru the fitting or fish a wire thru the fitting and out the filler, attach a silicone plug and pull the wire till it plugs the fitting in the inside. Removing the plug is easy with air.

                              DOM
                              Makes sense, so now I need to locate a reliable person that can do this type of work............I really appreciate all the information that's been given so far.....

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                              • Ron R.
                                Very Frequent User
                                • May 31, 1993
                                • 190

                                #45
                                Re: big tank repair

                                Mike, I'm sorry but I'm not sure what holes your referring to, could you please give me a little more information.

                                Thanks,

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