Can anyone explain all the chatter on Corvette Forum about this member. Dosen't seem believable to me . NCRS is getting a lot of negative ink.
Bill Purdy
Bill Purdy
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William
If you read all the posts you will get an explanation (at least one side) of what happened. Sounds a bit harsh to me but maybe there will be an explanation from this side.
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I see there there's some guy named Mike Ward getting a good bashing too. What was he thinking, trying to talk the CF crowd out of having a good 'ole witch hunt?
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When does the NCRS get good ink from the CF?Comment
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Another side of the story.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/1575115891-post78.htmlComment
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NCRS getting bad ink on the Corvette Forum is very unusual, I'll admit.
I'm sure I just don't get it but, Roy admits he broke the rules in a post on a forum he knows will stir negative emotions. He must be in nirvana as he reads the replies.
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I noticed that! Best not to get pulled in when someone is that wound up.Comment
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I agree with Roy B. I have been a member with the NCRS since 2001 and do not plan to renew my subscription when it expires this fall. I truly feel like he does that the organization itself and not the people are very self serving and for me I would rather spend my money elsewhere. I will say that as far as the TDB goes it's the best. None of my restorations would be where they are without the help of so many on here.
Thanks to Vinny Peters for posting my article in the latest Restorer.
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Must have been darn hungry!
A 25 year member blatantly breaks the rules and the NCRS gets bashed? What kind of sense does that make? I have never met Roy, but why go asking the CF for sympathy and admit to braking the long standing rules? For those considering leaving because of this, well, Rules are Rules. See you next Halloween,Roy! my .02Comment
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Everyone should read the CF thread. I wouldn't say Roy is "bashing" NCRS but rather strongly disagrees with the punsihment he received.
I can see the rule about leaving cars in place until judging is over but the punishment seems a bit extreme.
Hope NCRS at least reviews its rules, policies, and procedures here and does consider the fact that the NCRS, like all clubs, is made up from individual members and without these members, they will soon perish.
Sometimes you need to take a step back and look at something from someone else's (A DIFFERENT) perspective. It can't hurt. Doesn't mean they have to change things to suit Roy. But it may make the NCRS a better organization.Comment
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I think this is getting blown all out of proportion.
Roy clearly admits he broke the rules, he apologizes for having done so, and he says he accepts that he cannot participate in any NCRS events for 15 months (I thought the rule was 13 months, but that is a minor issue).
Roy is a big boy, and is willing to accept his medicine.
His question is simply this: Why does suspension from NCRS events also include suspension from the NCRS Discussion Board (this board)?
I have the same question? It seems to me that we are also penalizing everyone who might benefit from Roy's knowledge.
If the answer is "rules are rules"; that is just another way of saying "because I said so".
It does not address the fundamental issue, and it does not, in my opinion, pass the test of common sense.Comment
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I've read all of this and haven't commented. I usually don't comment anywhere unless I have something useful to ad to the conversation, so here's my thoughts.
I understand the punishment of 13 months, so does Roy. What I don't understand is not letting Roy participate in technical conversations here. Not conversations on this subject.
I can see not letting him show his car, or participate in NCRS events, if that is the ruling.
One question. During a suspension like this, does the NCRS and his local chapters accept annual dues ??
Just asking. I don't plan on breaking any rules and plan to be around here for many years. Just trying to learn something positive from this event.Tom Hendricks
Proud Member NCRS #23758
NCM Founding Member # 1143
Corvette Department Manager and
Specialist for 27 years at BUDS Chevrolet.Comment
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Here's an exact quote from the Sixth Edition of the JRM: ".....................owners prematurely removing cars from the judging field will nullify any award received and result in a 13 month suspension of the owner from any NCRS judging process".
Roy's complaint was NOT about the suspension, but about being banned from the TDB.
Is participation in the Discussion Board a part of the "judging process". OKAY, some nit picker, lawyer type will say that it is, if you are responding to a question. But how about lurking. Just being able to log on and watch. Roy cannot do this as his logon is locked out. Same as any non-dues paying non-members.
Was the wording changed or updated in the latest edition? Somebody please explain. I agree with the "rules are rules" mentality, but in Roy's case, it seems that we went beyond "throwing the book at him".Comment
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