Trim Tag Deviation - Judging Points

[Larry E.]

Re: Trim Tag Deviation - Judging Points

FWIW: Here is my two cents.

Don't know Jack Humphrey but as far as I'm concern he is making the most logic in this discussion. I'm not against NCRS checking Trim Tags but
I'm against them scrutinizing one generation of Corvettes namely C2's. As
far as I see it all other generations get a "free skate". No books on the
validity of Trim Tags are made except for the C2's. Utill all things are
equalized I think we should back off the importance of Trim Tags. That's
just my opinion.
Larry

[David H.]

Re: Trim Tag Deviation - Judging Points

FWIW: Here is my two cents.

Don't know Jack Humphrey but as far as I'm concern he is making the most logic in this discussion. I'm not against NCRS checking Trim Tags but
I'm against them scrutinizing one generation of Corvettes namely C2's. As
far as I see it all other generations get a "free skate". No books on the
validity of Trim Tags are made except for the C2's. Utill all things are
equalized I think we should back off the importance of Trim Tags. That's
just my opinion.
Larry

Listening to Roy at DesMoines, there are real problems being addressed.
And as stated above, directing attention at mid-year and chrome bumper cars
is kind of like profiling. However, if a Corvette is going to be "faked" it is most
likely in those years. Follow the money - there is NO money in faking my rubber
bumper 1980 - where there IS money in faking C2/Chrome cars. $0.02

[Jack H.]

Re: Trim Tag Deviation - Judging Points

Well, guys, I appreciate the support, but I'm 'torn' on this one because I understand the 'establishment' position too. The spirit of restoration/preservation is NOT to change the car to make it be what you 'would' have bought IF you were the original buyer.

And, we legitimately do NOT condone owner/dealer inspired additions OR deletions. But, we're not Corvette 'cops' and we're a club that provides judging services by members for members in the spirit of HELPING them execute the restoration/preservation process.

But, from what I 'seem' to hear in this thread we now take the position that any detectable deviation in VIN/trim tag configuration or attachment (real or imaginary) means the owner is a counterfeiter and the car is counterfeit merchandise! That's kind of like being guilty until proven innocent BUT there's no trial process...

Yep, there is a 'way out' for a Corvette that lost its VIN tag and it seems there's no alternative path for a Corvette that lost its trim tag. Could there be a kinder/gentler compromise path?

What if the policy were similar to that of atypical factory production where the burden of proof lies on the owner. Let him/her provide 'acceptable proof' that the 'atypical' trim tag actually represents the car's correct/original configuration (original bill of sale, tank sticker, submission of the damaged original tag that was replaced, prior owner history search with affidavit(s)).

Yes, that's a BIG burden, but it DOES provide an escape valve for those cases where there's convincing proof that reproduction or 'restoration' trim tag ACCURATELY reflects the car's factory configuration...

[Roy S.]

Re: Trim Tag Deviation - Judging Points

The short answer to the original question is a deviation in fabric is a 50% deduct or typoically 12 points on the originality side becasue thseats could receive all the condition points.

I am going to have John Waggoner post a new sticky regarding this discussion, it will not be open for comment as I simply do not have the time or desire to answer all of your posts in a chat room enviornemt.

[Mike G.]

Re: Trim Tag Deviation - Judging Points

could this be considered a judging seminar? do i get any points for reading the entire thing?

[David S.]

Re: Trim Tag Deviation - Judging Points

The short answer to the original question is a deviation in fabric is a 50% deduct or typoically 12 points on the originality side becasue thseats could receive all the condition points.

I am going to have John Waggoner post a new sticky regarding this discussion, it will not be open for comment as I simply do not have the time or desire to answer all of your posts in a chat room enviornemt.

Roy,

Thank you for the answering my question.

Best,
Dave

[Neal K.]

Re: Trim Tag Deviation - Judging Points

I need some input on the trim tag in my 67. I have owned the car for 42 years and the same trim tag has in the car since I bought it in 1968. I was the 3rd owner. I drove and enjoyed the car and never focused on originality issues.
I recently started restoring the car and began reading the various resource publications available on the multitude of topics involved in the restoration. When I read the information/publications available on trim tags I began to question the originality of my trim tag. To start with I am not sure I understand what is meant by "Production Date". The term Production Date was mentioned in several publications I read. Is it the date on the trim tag, the chasis date or the date the car rolled off the assembly line? And if it is the last one where do I find that date? Can someone explain to me what is meant by Production Date.
The date on the trim tag of my car is A 18 which I interpret to be August of 1966, and the date stenciled into the chasis is 8/28. Can the date on the trim tag be before the chasis date? Also, the trim code on the tag is 421AA. Everything I have read states that AA is for a Coupe. My car is a convertible with saddle leather. The guys working on the restoration say the trim tag looks original to them and that no one even thought to make a counterfeit trim tag in 1968 when I purchased the car.
Any input is most appreciated.
Neal

[William C.]

Re: Trim Tag Deviation - Judging Points

The Date on the trim tag is the body build date, and the body was of necessity built before the chassis, also the buoys are correct, counterfit trim tags were unknown in 1968, rest easy!

[Neal K.]

Re: Trim Tag Deviation - Judging Points

The Date on the trim tag is the body build date, and the body was of necessity built before the chassis, also the buoys are correct, counterfit trim tags were unknown in 1968, rest easy!

Bill thanks for your input. What do you mean when you say "the buoys are correct". I don't know what buoys are.
Thanks
Neal

[William C.]

Re: Trim Tag Deviation - Judging Points

Working too late, should be Boys, referreing to the earlier responses regarding the lack of "reproduction" trim tags in the early 70's.

[Neal K.]

Re: Trim Tag Deviation - Judging Points

Bill,
Thanks.
Any comment on the Trim Code being 421AA on a 67 convertible?
Neal

[William C.]

Re: Trim Tag Deviation - Judging Points

Saddle leather, if that is correct, and the car is a convert, the number puncher made an error if the tag is original.

[David S.]

Re: Trim Tag Deviation - Judging Points

While talking about deviations, what action is taken if there is an engine suffix code deviation? For instance, the suffix code denotes A.I.R. Smog or A/C or a 4 speed, but the car does not have that equipment. This might be farfetched and I do not have a car in mind but might add to this interesting thread.

-Dave

[John H.]

Re: Trim Tag Deviation - Judging Points

While talking about deviations, what action is taken if there is an engine suffix code deviation? For instance, the suffix code denotes A.I.R. Smog or A/C or a 4 speed, but the car does not have that equipment. This might be farfetched and I do not have a car in mind but might add to this interesting thread.

-Dave

Dave -

A non-typical engine plant stamp carries a 25-point deduction, as does the assembly plant-stamped VIN derivative.

[David S.]

Re: Trim Tag Deviation - Judging Points

Dave -

A non-typical engine plant stamp carries a 25-point deduction, as does the assembly plant-stamped VIN derivative.

Thanks John.

-Dave