New entrant for flight judging

[Jack H.]

Re: New entrant for flight judging

Small point here, but the trailered vs. driven & number of miles declaration is also on the Top Sheet of the Flight Scoring package. Owners need to make the declaration twice: the Green Sheet flows back to NCRS for archival purposes while the Top Sheet stays with the Flight Scoring package that's returned to the owner. That way BOTH NCRS and the owner have identical scoring summary records...

[Jack H.]

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Why drive - are there extra points? I didn't see anything about that in the flight judging manuals I ordered through NCRS. The show is 350 miles away and I am fearful I will lose all the chalk marks we labored so hard to make on the undercarriage. And the side pipies are pretty loud to boot. I confess I'm spoiled by a C6 daily driver. It just isn't as unique as the '66.

With just the NCRS Technical Information & Judging Guide (JG), you have roughly 'half' of the rules of the road for Flight Judging... There's another book (NCRS Corvette Judging Reference Manual) that provides more information!

The JG has a specific focus (what judges should look for on specific model years of Corvette) while the JRM covers NCRS rules in general:

(1) What are the various award/recognition programs the club offers?
(2) What are the rights/duties of judges at a meet?
(3) What are the rights/duties of owners at a meet?
(4) What are deductions for items that are common to all Corvettes regardless of model year?

Many who are new to the process buy/read only the JG without comprehending the JRM. But, if you really want to understand the big picture in detail, you need some level of familiarity with the JRM because its rules/details WILL be used at a meet.

It's the JRM that provides specifics on how the mileage driven credit system works. This is essentially a 'bonus' point system to encourage the actual use of a Corvette by the owner. It's unique to NCRS!

You can raise your car's base score (say, 90%) by as much as another 10% (thats PERCENT, not judging points!) by simply filling the tank and driving to a meet!!!! So, a 90% score would yield a Top Flight award, but the mileage driven credit could pump that score as high as 99% (a SOLID Top Flight award).

Yes, you will encounter wear/tear on 'baby' by actually driving her, but the mileage driven credit can QUICKLY compensate (or over compensate) for that...

Mileage is taken from your declaration and NOT the distance 'as the crow flies'. You say the meet is 350 miles away. OK, that will produce a bonus of (350/100 = 3.5 PERCENT) to your base score. That's the equivalent of (3.5 x 45) 157.5 judging points...

See the advantage for having bought and read the JRM to make club rules work for you?

[Terry M.]

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Small point here, but the trailered vs. driven & number of miles declaration is also on the Top Sheet of the Flight Scoring package. Owners need to make the declaration twice: the Green Sheet flows back to NCRS for archival purposes while the Top Sheet stays with the Flight Scoring package that's returned to the owner. That way BOTH NCRS and the owner have identical scoring summary records...

Of course you are right about the mileage being noted twice Jack, but that "top sheet," aka Summary Sheet, goes to the tabulators as soon at the Team Leader checks the VIN and trim tags (if I remember the contents of that Summery Sheet correctly.) I know the Summary Sheet has changed a lot since I was Team Leader, but whatever contents there are are not seen by the judges. The Tabulation team needs that sheet promptly to begine their points recording work.

And as Patrick T states, some form of identification is on each of the judging score sheets. The quantity of that information depends on the computer program (if any) being used by the meet administrators. I have yet to see the mileage driven or trailered listed on those score sheet stickers, though.

My point was that a car owner need not be concerned that the judges will know how far he drove the car. If the weather conditions are particularly bad, the judges might ask -- but this is only because "road dirt" that has been encountered traveling to the meet is not a deductible item. So the judges might want to decide if they should. for example, ignore some debris in the radiator.

Now for the next debate about how many angeles there are on the head of a pin, leave us go on.

[John H.]

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I am about to show a '66 BB 427 coupe that just completed a nuts and bolts restoration and having never been through this process before would welcome some guidance about how many points can be lost for various non-conformances such as wrong tire valve stems, wrong battery cables, and restored beyond standard paint (right color, too smooth).
I'd welcome any guidance a veteran would be kind enough to provide.

Steve -

Assuming you already have the '66 Judging Guide, you also need the "Corvette Judging Reference Manual", which describes the judging process, what to expect, how to prepare, standard deductions, etc. You can also download the judging sheets (the same ones the judges will use) that show originality and condition points allocation for each line item; there used to be an icon for that at the top of the page, but I don't see it right now.

[Terry M.]

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Steve -

Assuming you already have the '66 Judging Guide, you also need the "Corvette Judging Reference Manual", which describes the judging process, what to expect, how to prepare, standard deductions, etc. You can also download the judging sheets (the same ones the judges will use) that show originality and condition points allocation for each line item; there used to be an icon for that at the top of the page, but I don't see it right now.

As the site gets larger there are more and more pages.

1) click "publications" button above
2) Move your cursor over "member services" near the top of the page
3) click the last item "Judging Awards"
4) start scrolling down the page and the item "Flight Awards" will appear. On the next line is a description of the score sheets and a "download" hyperlink. Click there and you have them.

Or follow this link:

https://www.ncrs.org/membership/scoresheets.html

[Stephen L.]

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All posters to my request for guidance -
Thanks for all of this insight although it is almost overwhelming. Having read the judging guide and the score sheets, I feel totally under prepared. I'll just keep my cool and learn this time out. There is clearly a lot more to learn about this club and the hobby than just buying a nice car.
I'm hoping for any flight this first time out as I understand to be judged at Charlotte this summer the car has to have already been awarded a flight standing. I'm hoping that the information I receive back from the judges will let me improve the car in terms of originality.
Many thanks again and wish me luck.

[Terry B.]

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Stephen,
I see from your profile you are in Washington state. You said you're going to have it judged at the National in Charlotte. Unless you have circumstances that you need to have the car travel that type of distance, there will be a closer National to you in 2012 (San Diego). I assume you first are having your car judged at a Chapter meet, you could after that have it judged at a regional that is in the western part of the country. Check the latest Driveline for locations of different meets.

[Stephen L.]

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Terry,
Well that's another thing I need to learn - keep my profile up to date. We actually moved to North Carolina in early 2008 and I am trailering the car to Corvette Expo. This trip will have a lot of firsts: the first time the car is shown publicly to anyone after its restoration, a first of hopefully many NCRS judging shows, towing the car in a 26' trailer behind my Range Rover Sport which suddenly looks pretty small (albeit powerful), and trying out a new hobby for impending retiement when I'd have a chance to haul it all over the country. (The trailer is borrowed so I got a lot more than I needed.)
But I will update my profile right now so as not to mislead.
Thanks for the tips - we might take it West for that National as well if this one works out OK.
Stephen

[Patrick T.]

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Pat ,

It's normal for people to drive a circuitous route to get to a meet either to pack on the points or to just enjoy driving the car. Sometimes both.

Thanks Mikey, I love that kind of talk! I live near Camp David, so maybe I'll stop by and get Obama and bring him with me. I'm sure he would like to address the attendees about his new Health Care Plan!

[Terry M.]

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Now that WOULD be interesting. Bring him on!!!

None of us would have to worry about the security of our cars.

[Stephen L.]

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Dave,
Actually I brought the 66 to Corvette Expo and the Southeast chapter meet. Shows I know next to nothing about NCRS thinking that flighting here would get me to Nationals which is so close to home. Oops. But i have already profited from the trip as I know four things I didn't before today.
The 92 ZR-1 has only 7,100 miles and is a true survivor car. Non-stock tires on factory chrome rims and a replacement battery is all that is not original. The car is a pair with the new ZR1 also in yellow.