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  • Alan D.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • January 1, 2005
    • 2032

    #31
    Re: 63 engine over spray patterns

    What do the 63 experts think of the #5 exhaust manifold stud! On the 64 it has a nut and washer (fuel filter ones) - what did 63 do?
    Are those lock washers between adapter plate and dog house used in 63? (do not over tighten)

    Should the cork gaskets show some silver on the valley side?
    Spring color?
    Last edited by Alan D.; February 25, 2010, 06:38 PM. Reason: another ?

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    • Michael G.
      Extremely Frequent Poster
      • November 12, 2008
      • 2157

      #32
      Re: 63 engine over spray patterns

      Thanks Michael,

      When the orange paint was sprayed on the engine at Flint, was part of the bypass hose covered by the mask that the plant used for the valve covers and manifold?

      Yeah, thanks for the heater hose evaluation: I just put that heater hose on a few minutes before the picture, I noticed the problem when I went to screw the hose clamp into the alternator bracket.

      The good news is that the engine just started and ran fine with the new valve springs. So I don't mind getting out the orange paint and masking everything, so I can paint the hose.
      Last edited by Michael G.; February 25, 2010, 06:05 PM.
      Mike




      1965 Black Ext / Silver Int. Coupe, L84 Duntov, French Lick, 2023 - Triple Diamond
      1965 Red Ext / White & Red Int. Conv. - 327/250 AC Regional Top Flight.

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      • Rob M.
        NCRS IT Developer
        • January 1, 2004
        • 12722

        #33
        Re: 63 engine over spray patterns

        Ok, first of all I believe the heads are not Tonawanda (see first attachment). Secondly I made some changes tonight as a result on the comments so far (although I couldn't do all yet)...

        * Added silver over-spray
        * Removed paint near rear PVC grommet
        * Installed gaskets intake manifolds
        * Removed paint from water pump inlet
        * Removed paint from water pump snout
        * Added throttle spring and bracket
        * Replaced black with brass 45 degrees block in PVC line

        Next add alternator, belts and pulleys!!!

        regards and thanks for all the feedback so far,
        Rob.
        Attached Files
        Rob.

        NCRS Dutch Chapter Founder & Board Member
        NCRS Software Developer
        C1, C2 and C3 Registry Developer

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        • Michael G.
          Extremely Frequent Poster
          • November 12, 2008
          • 2157

          #34
          Re: 63 engine over spray patterns

          Rob.

          What are you going to do with that engine when you're done?

          Michael,

          Ok, here's the new overspray, what do you think?
          Attached Files
          Mike




          1965 Black Ext / Silver Int. Coupe, L84 Duntov, French Lick, 2023 - Triple Diamond
          1965 Red Ext / White & Red Int. Conv. - 327/250 AC Regional Top Flight.

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          • Michael H.
            Expired
            • January 29, 2008
            • 7477

            #35
            Re: 63 engine over spray patterns

            Originally posted by Michael Garver (49693)
            Rob.

            What are you going to do with that engine when you're done?

            Michael,

            Ok, here's the new overspray, what do you think?
            Michael,

            The bypass hose looks great. That's just about how it would have looked when new. Just a bit of dull aluminum on the rear of the hose and clamp. Much of the hose orange.

            The boys at the Flint plant didn't use a shield on the hose during the paint operation like they did for big block at Tonawanda.

            I see a few items that I want to comment on but since you didn't ask about the ink stamp on the radiator, I won't mention it. Or the unpainted control arm bushings.

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            • Michael G.
              Extremely Frequent Poster
              • November 12, 2008
              • 2157

              #36
              Re: 63 engine over spray patterns

              OK, now you gotta tell me what you see.
              Mike




              1965 Black Ext / Silver Int. Coupe, L84 Duntov, French Lick, 2023 - Triple Diamond
              1965 Red Ext / White & Red Int. Conv. - 327/250 AC Regional Top Flight.

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              • Michael H.
                Expired
                • January 29, 2008
                • 7477

                #37
                Re: 63 engine over spray patterns

                Originally posted by Rob Musquetier (41157)
                Secondly I made some changes tonight as a result on the comments so far (although I couldn't do all yet)...

                * Added silver over-spray
                * Removed paint near rear PVC grommet
                * Installed gaskets intake manifolds
                * Removed paint from water pump inlet
                * Removed paint from water pump snout
                * Added throttle spring and bracket
                * Replaced black with brass 45 degrees block in PVC line

                Next add alternator, belts and pulleys!!!

                regards and thanks for all the feedback so far,
                Rob.
                Looking good Rob!

                I think the dull aluminum is close to what it would have looked like when new, although possibly just a bit excessive. This is difficult to do with a spray can.
                I would expect to see a bit of orange paint on the FI to block adapter rubber seal in the front.
                The PCV valve fitting may need to be turned slightly counter clockwise.
                The harmonic balancer retaining bolt and washer would not be painted orange. It was installed at the St Louis plant so no paint. The washer was natural, unplated. The bolt was plated zincad though.

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                • Michael H.
                  Expired
                  • January 29, 2008
                  • 7477

                  #38
                  Re: 63 engine over spray patterns

                  Originally posted by Michael Garver (49693)
                  OK, now you gotta tell me what you see.
                  This may be subject to debate but I don't think 63 and 64 radiators were ink stamped "16CT" on the top. For 63-64, only a small transparent sticker with a green numeral was used. There was also a white label with green printing that may have covered, or at least partially covered the label.
                  I have LOTSA GM photos of new 63's and 64's and none have the CT ink stamp.

                  The control arm was painted with the shaft, bushings, washers and bolts already installed so all would be black.

                  I probably shouldn't comment on the alternator stator color. I don't want to start another debate.

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                  • Michael G.
                    Extremely Frequent Poster
                    • November 12, 2008
                    • 2157

                    #39
                    Re: 63 engine over spray patterns

                    Michael,

                    Thanks for explaining the "few" other "items", maybe you can tell me where to get the heater hose "straps" shown on the attached pic?
                    Attached Files
                    Mike




                    1965 Black Ext / Silver Int. Coupe, L84 Duntov, French Lick, 2023 - Triple Diamond
                    1965 Red Ext / White & Red Int. Conv. - 327/250 AC Regional Top Flight.

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                    • Michael H.
                      Expired
                      • January 29, 2008
                      • 7477

                      #40
                      Re: 63 engine over spray patterns

                      Originally posted by Michael Garver (49693)
                      Michael,

                      Thanks for explaining the "few" other "items", maybe you can tell me where to get the heater hose "straps" shown on the attached pic?
                      Michael,

                      I think I've seen these straps in reproduction but I don't know who makes/sells them. Hopefully, someone can tell us who it is.

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                      • Michael G.
                        Extremely Frequent Poster
                        • November 12, 2008
                        • 2157

                        #41
                        Re: 63 engine over spray patterns

                        Michael,

                        I haven't been able to find them, but I'm sure some body will know.

                        I think the attached pic is and unrestored L84 radiator
                        Attached Files
                        Mike




                        1965 Black Ext / Silver Int. Coupe, L84 Duntov, French Lick, 2023 - Triple Diamond
                        1965 Red Ext / White & Red Int. Conv. - 327/250 AC Regional Top Flight.

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                        • Michael H.
                          Expired
                          • January 29, 2008
                          • 7477

                          #42
                          Re: 63 engine over spray patterns

                          Originally posted by Michael Garver (49693)
                          Michael,

                          I think the attached pic is and unrestored L84 radiator
                          Hmmmm... I dunno. I don't see the part number stamped on the top. I do know that a lot of unrestored 63's have the inspection sticker instead of the 16CT ink stamp. (including one of my unrestored cars)
                          There are a ton of factory photos that clearly show the white warning label and small clear sticker.
                          The coolant warning paper sticker covers the date. Let me dig out a few factory photos.

                          That looks like a very early production car that has been restored, or at least warmed up?
                          Last edited by Michael H.; February 25, 2010, 10:13 PM.

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                          • Michael G.
                            Extremely Frequent Poster
                            • November 12, 2008
                            • 2157

                            #43
                            Re: 63 engine over spray patterns

                            Michael,

                            It was described to me as "unrestored", but I'm sure a few things have probably been "freshened", you have a better eye for these things than I do.

                            I'd be interested in seeing your factory photos.
                            Mike




                            1965 Black Ext / Silver Int. Coupe, L84 Duntov, French Lick, 2023 - Triple Diamond
                            1965 Red Ext / White & Red Int. Conv. - 327/250 AC Regional Top Flight.

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                            • John H.
                              Beyond Control Poster
                              • December 1, 1997
                              • 16513

                              #44
                              Re: 63 engine over spray patterns

                              Originally posted by Michael Garver (49693)

                              Thanks for explaining the "few" other "items", maybe you can tell me where to get the heater hose "straps" shown on the attached pic?
                              Mike -

                              Doc Rebuild has them - his #2259302.

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                              • Michael G.
                                Extremely Frequent Poster
                                • November 12, 2008
                                • 2157

                                #45
                                Re: 63 engine over spray patterns

                                Thanks John, I'll get some.
                                Mike




                                1965 Black Ext / Silver Int. Coupe, L84 Duntov, French Lick, 2023 - Triple Diamond
                                1965 Red Ext / White & Red Int. Conv. - 327/250 AC Regional Top Flight.

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