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  • Donald L.
    Very Frequent User
    • October 31, 1981
    • 140

    64 tar top battery

    Anybody know where to get a original tar top battery rebuilt? or is there a better reproduction now, like the gel that looks like a 67 battery. Most the tar top reproductions don't last 2 years they are junk.
  • Edward J.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • September 15, 2008
    • 6940

    #2
    Re: 64 tar top battery

    Don, The restoration battery co. sells the maint. free batteries now, and I believe theres a better warrenty on them now. maybe 3 yrs.

    you might inquire about your tar top battery, maybe the even restore older batteries.
    New England chapter member, 63 Convert. 327/340- Chapter/Regional/national Top Flight, 72 coupe- chapter and regional Top Flight.

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    • Dan H.
      Extremely Frequent Poster
      • July 31, 1977
      • 1368

      #3
      Re: 64 tar top battery

      Don, I've had my Restoration ' sealed/maintenance free' battery in the car for 2 years, still going strong. Don't even bother with a battery tender with it. NO more corrosion either, repainted battery area many times before it, now it stays perfect. That alone is worth it!
      Dan
      1964 Red FI Coupe, DUNTOV '09
      Drove the 64 over 5000 miles to three Regionals and the San Jose National, one dust storm and 40 lbs of bugs!

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      • Donald L.
        Very Frequent User
        • October 31, 1981
        • 140

        #4
        Re: 64 tar top battery

        Do they look like a tar top?

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        • Edward J.
          Extremely Frequent Poster
          • September 15, 2008
          • 6940

          #5
          Re: 64 tar top battery

          Don, No Tar top batteries. I would look him -up on internet, he may very well be able to do something.
          New England chapter member, 63 Convert. 327/340- Chapter/Regional/national Top Flight, 72 coupe- chapter and regional Top Flight.

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          • Dan H.
            Extremely Frequent Poster
            • July 31, 1977
            • 1368

            #6
            Re: 64 tar top battery

            Originally posted by Donald Lemek (4944)
            Do they look like a tar top?
            Don, they are correct looking, even date coded, but have resin tops that wipe off and always look new. You will lose 7 pts from scrooge Judges due its construction without 'tar', they like to stick their fingernails into battery tops and leave little imprints to impress the poor guy getting Judged! They shouldn't remove any battery caps so whether it's a acid or dry battery will not come into play. Another benefit is you can turn them upside down and no leaky! Makes them much easier to install!
            Dan
            Last edited by Dan H.; February 5, 2010, 04:32 PM.
            1964 Red FI Coupe, DUNTOV '09
            Drove the 64 over 5000 miles to three Regionals and the San Jose National, one dust storm and 40 lbs of bugs!

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            • Tom R.
              Expired
              • July 31, 1993
              • 62

              #7
              Re: 64 tar top battery

              Originally posted by Dan Holstein (1440)
              Don, they are correct looking, even date coded, but have resin tops that wipe off and always look new. You will lose 7 pts from scrooge Judges due its construction without 'tar', they like to stick their fingernails into battery tops and leave little imprints to impress the poor guy getting Judged! They shouldn't remove any battery caps so whether it's a acid or dry battery will not come into play. Another benefit is you can turn them upside down and no leaky! Makes them much easier to install!
              Dan
              Don;

              You say the judges stick there fingernails into the the battery tops.

              I thought the judges were just to judge,not to touch?

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              • Dan H.
                Extremely Frequent Poster
                • July 31, 1977
                • 1368

                #8
                Re: 64 tar top battery

                Originally posted by Tom Rolli (23038)
                Don;

                You say the judges stick there fingernails into the the battery tops.

                I thought the judges were just to judge,not to touch?
                Tom, I've had real tar top batteries, they look just as the repros do except the originals all had dust, sand, bird feathers etc. stuck on them. If a Judge looks down at a repro battery and doesn't touch it, he is just guessing it's a repro because it looks too good! It's kind of like saying if a gage face isn't faded, it's not real! Just my opinion.
                Dan
                1964 Red FI Coupe, DUNTOV '09
                Drove the 64 over 5000 miles to three Regionals and the San Jose National, one dust storm and 40 lbs of bugs!

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                • Alan D.
                  Extremely Frequent Poster
                  • December 31, 2004
                  • 2031

                  #9
                  Re: 64 tar top battery

                  Agree with Dan; the gel cell batteries with the case on top is a great choice.
                  The judges can tell however the 7 point hit is fair.

                  You can tar top the battery believe articles exist on that, PS put finger nail mark in it when done.
                  As for removal of caps, a judge can request such. They did on mine, the first showed water however the judge was not to be fooled and requested a second which exposed a dry hole. Just did not have time to make all the cap show water before the show. And naturally was just busting the judge with the water hole thing - a knowledgeable judge will realize its a repo despite what tricks are used.

                  But as Dan has mentioned the lack of other problems associated with an original battery is just not worth the 7 points.

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                  • Dan H.
                    Extremely Frequent Poster
                    • July 31, 1977
                    • 1368

                    #10
                    Re: 64 tar top battery

                    I remember years ago Doc Gurdjian selling real tar top batteries, they looked so good when new but after you drove with them hey got 'salty' looking in a hurry. Don't know if Doc still makes these?
                    Dan
                    1964 Red FI Coupe, DUNTOV '09
                    Drove the 64 over 5000 miles to three Regionals and the San Jose National, one dust storm and 40 lbs of bugs!

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                    • Tom S.
                      Extremely Frequent Poster
                      • February 29, 2004
                      • 1087

                      #11
                      Re: 64 tar top battery

                      Maybe Stu Fox will chime in. His son got him one for his 63 somwhere just recently and he is happy with it. Tom

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                      • John D.
                        Extremely Frequent Poster
                        • November 30, 1979
                        • 5507

                        #12
                        Re: 64 tar top battery

                        Well for once I read all the posts. Donald I see no one really answered your question. You asked "who can rebuild a tar top battery" . Not your exact words.
                        Jim Kane at Cameron Battery 205 S. Maple St., Emporium, PA 15834
                        814-486-0921.
                        He "may" be able to rebuild your tar top providing when he cuts it open it doesn't sell destruct. Like one I gave to Rick Alshire did. Course it wasn't the real deal but an old repro from PA.
                        My 63, the LWC has nice original tar top battery. Buttt it's coming out shortly as it's ouzing acid on top. But it gets no deducts at all. Yes it's full of CC's thumb prints and all the other nice judges. Whew!!!
                        I am putting in nice fake pretty repro. All sealed up. Saving the original tar top just for judging as it will save 7 or 8 points.
                        Restoration Battery has a very good sealed plastic tar top. Doesn't discharge at all. Sold by an old NCRS member. My pal Tom Kobman. JD

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                        • Joe R.
                          Extremely Frequent Poster
                          • July 31, 1976
                          • 4549

                          #13
                          Re: 64 tar top battery

                          OK, I want to know something here. Why does NCRS take off for restoration batteries and NOT for Restoration Radiators. The radiators are so far from originals that they can be detected at 20 paces. Not even close to original radiators.

                          What the criteria here?

                          Many and I mean many parts that are reproductions get 100% points and the batteries get deducted.

                          And yes, no judge is suppose to touch your car unless you give them permission.

                          JR

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                          • Alan D.
                            Extremely Frequent Poster
                            • December 31, 2004
                            • 2031

                            #14
                            Re: 64 tar top battery

                            JR not sure what the Restoration Radiator looks like however I have a Dewitts which was supposed to be like original! Lost some points for that one since judge could see the incorrect inlet fitting. So a guess, the judge just did not see (or know) the tell tail signs of a Restoration Radiator.

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                            • Joe R.
                              Extremely Frequent Poster
                              • July 31, 1976
                              • 4549

                              #15
                              Re: 64 tar top battery

                              Originally posted by Alan Drake (43261)
                              JR not sure what the Restoration Radiator looks like however I have a Dewitts which was supposed to be like original! Lost some points for that one since judge could see the incorrect inlet fitting. So a guess, the judge just did not see (or know) the tell tail signs of a Restoration Radiator.

                              Alan,

                              Dewitts restoration radiators are great however they suffer because the tops are sanded smooth and the numbers are engraved.
                              As far as I am concerned they are just as good as any restoration part on the market.
                              We need the Dewitts and many others that make parts needed to restore this old heaps.
                              BUT on the other hand Restoration Batteries are just as perfect as any part and needed for the restoration of these heaps.
                              It seems every few days someone is jumping on Restoration Battery and there is a lengthy discussion on tar and them not being original and taking off points during judging.
                              Restoration Battery is the only source (nearly) for batteries just as others are the only source for different parts.
                              Shall I point out ALL the different parts made by Trim Parts of Ohio, glass vendors, bumpers vendors etc. etc.

                              JR

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