Roy Sinor Seen at Barrett-Jackson

[Rick S.]

Re: Roy Sinor Seen at Barrett-Jackson

John,
I appreciate your reply and input as far as BJ is concerned but my concern is that now that it is public knowledge, potential buyers at private sales will demand that the seller (NCRS member) provide Award confirmation. That costs us, NCRS members, $300 to prove that we have attained a Top Flight award. Will NCRS give it's dues paying members a discount that you state they may have given to Barrett-Jackson?
Rick

[Loren L.]

Re: Roy Sinor Seen at Barrett-Jackson

There was a time, circa 1989/90, where it was noted that all of the Certificates were the same and that members realized that the judging levels available at Chapter, Regional and National events was widely disparate. Part of the solution was to print Awards so that they called out the level of judging.
The other part of the solution was that these Certificates were to be sequentially numbered at all three levels and that issuance of numbered certificates was supposed to be noted - ie, Regional Cert. #2401 was to have been issued at Cypress Gardens in 1993.

Am I hearing that this was never done?

[Robert G.]

Re: Roy Sinor Seen at Barrett-Jackson

300 dollars isn't too bad until you run into something like this. Can someone tell me just what this car is?

[Dick W.]

Re: Roy Sinor Seen at Barrett-Jackson

Loren, chapter awards are not numbered. Regional and National are numbered and have the corporate seal on them.

With that said, most do not know that is part of the authenticity of awards

[John D.]

Re: Roy Sinor Seen at Barrett-Jackson

Robert, Can see why you wondered. Sounds very suspicious to say the least.
Didn't know St. Louis made that many 63's. No wonder we have so many 63 posts here. Whew!!!

[Rick S.]

Re: Roy Sinor Seen at Barrett-Jackson

300 dollars isn't too bad until you run into something like this. Can someone tell me just what this car is?

Ask them to provide an Awards Confirmation. His claim of a Top Flight is useless without a confirmation.

Rick

[Dick W.]

Re: Roy Sinor Seen at Barrett-Jackson

Car did get the award claimed. I looked at the car when it was judged, but did not form any opinions about authenticity.

[Rick S.]

Re: Roy Sinor Seen at Barrett-Jackson

Dick,
I would like to make it perfectly clear that I have no fight/dispute with you but the company line reminds me of the Obama administration claiming that the recent Massachusetts Senator vote had nothing to do with their health care position. If I understand this correctly, if someone challenges me on my Top Flight award, I can confirm my award by paying $300 to NCRS and they will send paperwork to me verifying my award. Does this seem fair to a dues paying NCRS member who had to pay (most likely over $100) to have the car judged? Like I said in an earlier post, if that is the position of NCRS, why don't we assess the $300 at the judging event because the paper work provided at an Awards ceremony is worthless.

Also, why should NCRS charge a member $300 to confirm his award? I would think that awards have been entered into a database and it would only take a quick check, print it out and send it out via regular mail. A nominal fee for this service is all that should be required.

Can anyone confirm that a discount or waiver of fees did occur at Barrett-Jackson?

I have asked several questions and feel all of them should be answered.

Rick

[Henry S.]

Re: Roy Sinor Seen at Barrett-Jackson

Wow, 300 bucks to confirm that I have a Top Flight car. I guess that everything (Blue Ribbon, score sheets and certificate) given to me at the Awards banquet isn't worth the paper or ribbon it is printed on. We pay $35 a year, the various fees to get the car judged and when it comes to confirm later on that the car received an award it costs an additional $300. Seems a bit pricey and redundant once you receive an award.

HMMMM, I have to side with you on this one Rick. It seems as if the "Barrett Jackson" era has added yet another layer of expense to make it a little tougher for the average Joe to compete, but what the heck it's "only" $300. Compare that to the "seller and buyer" premium and it's chump change. Seems a little weird that NCRS would charge $300 for members to verify what many of them have already paid for.....

On page 3 of the "Corvette Judging Reference Manual" it states as I'm sure many others remember and have read more than I have: Judging is NOT intended, nor has it ever been, for the purpose of determining market value of a Corvette. Any buyer or seller who uses NCRS awards or judging sheets for such purposes does so at their own risk.

That statement itself is now misleading. By NCRS charging $300 for the additional document/verification they just helped determine the market value is now $300 more.

Of course we're all aware which car brings in the most money when comparing a car without any awards to one with several Top Flights. And the reasons have to do with those documents. But for the NCRS to charge an owner an additional $300 just to verify for Barrett Jackson (or ANY one else) that the documents the owner has already paid for is real seems to fly in the face of the statement in the reference manual. I'm scratching my head with this one. What am I missing?

[Rick S.]

Re: Roy Sinor Seen at Barrett-Jackson

Henry,
If NCRS justify a $300 fee for a member what is the fee for a non-member, if available?

Rick

[Dick W.]

Re: Roy Sinor Seen at Barrett-Jackson

BJ is the only auction that requires the Confirmation, and then only if you claim to have received NCRS awards. They order the document

[Henry S.]

Re: Roy Sinor Seen at Barrett-Jackson

BJ is the only auction that requires the Confirmation, and then only if you claim to have received NCRS awards. They order the document

If BJ is the only auction house to require it then they should be the ones paying the 300 bucks, not the buyer or seller. Sounds fishy. Again, I agree with Rick, if the cars been judged there should be another way for verification.

[Henry S.]

Re: Roy Sinor Seen at Barrett-Jackson

Henry,
If NCRS justify a $300 fee for a member what is the fee for a non-member, if available?

Rick

Good question Rick. Can a non-member get certified verification?

[Dick W.]

Re: Roy Sinor Seen at Barrett-Jackson

I think that all the questions have been answered before. I did a search and found this thread

https://www.forums.ncrs.org/showthre...ation&uid=1366

[Ronald L.]

Re: Roy Sinor Seen at Barrett-Jackson

Ditto.

Also noted that the 66 67 big block prices were real low yesterday. Way off from 6 months prior, Terry from proteam got at least one for 68k, wait 'till that is on the showroom floor for 95k.