1953 # 29

[Tyler T.]

Re: 1953 # 29

Tim Ames in Brooksville FL is doing the restoration on the car. With help from many behind the scenes he was able to determine this car is very original in the frame and body areas. Ken Kaiser will have an article with pictures in a vette magazine on the newsstands in December. Tim has approched the owner and she agreed to have the car displayed at the Winter Regional and attend as a guest.

In view of the above events I leave the complete telling of the story to a latter date however Florida has issued the title to her and it is a clear title for a 1953 corvette vin # E53 1029 (10029?) in her name.

In addition to this car we will also have some other unique Corvettes on display including a very early 63 with pilot line items, the last Yenko corvette and for you C4 guys who missed it last year I will bring my 1988 ZR-1 prototype (Queenie).

We are working hard to make the event one you will enjoy.

Tyler

[Brett H.]

Re: 1953 # 29

Good to hear that she got the title rights to the car, especially since she and her husband owned it for 40 yrs anyway.

That would mean that the guy in IN that was trying to claim ownership of HER car, claiming to have a fully restored #029, is now without an IN title. That's good to hear. I wonder what 53 vin the IN car will receive next?

[Steven N.]

Re: 1953 # 29

Tyler, Looking forward to judging some of those cars in January, just sent in my registration. thanks, Steven J.................

[John M.]

Re: 1953 # 29

I also understand that the owner of the "other" 029 car, had his title forfeited in that state. Looks like he may be stuck with an extremely expensive kit car now!



Regards, John McGraw

[Edward M.]

Re: 1953 # 29

Tim Ames in Brooksville FL is doing the restoration on the car. With help from many behind the scenes he was able to determine this car is very original in the frame and body areas. Ken Kaiser will have an article with pictures in a vette magazine on the newsstands in December. Tim has approched the owner and she agreed to have the car displayed at the Winter Regional and attend as a guest.

In view of the above events I leave the complete telling of the story to a latter date however Florida has issued the title to her and it is a clear title for a 1953 corvette vin # E53 1029 (10029?) in her name.

In addition to this car we will also have some other unique Corvettes on display including a very early 63 with pilot line items, the last Yenko corvette and for you C4 guys who missed it last year I will bring my 1988 ZR-1 prototype (Queenie).

We are working hard to make the event one you will enjoy.

Tyler

Tyler;

Do I understand that she got a title with THE CORRECT VIN (E53F001029)?

Looking forward to seeing the car, and all of you guys, in January.

[Edward M.]

Re: 1953 # 29

OK, my curiosity got the better of me so I checked NMVTIS for the status of E53F1029. Here is what I found.

Multi-State Vehicle History Report
Report for VIN: E53F001029
This data was originally accessed on 2009-10-22 06:52:40.141 EDT at which time it was current with the National Motor Vehicle Title Information System (NMVTIS)

Vehicle Brands
"Brands" define the status of a vehicle such as "theft, flood, salvage, rebuilt, kit" and are not lost when the vehicle travels from state to state.

One brand entry has been found for this vehicle.
* Not Actual
The odometer reading is known to be other than the true mileage for the vehicle.
Applied on: 04/18/2007 Applied by: Indiana


Florida Title Information
This record is the current State of Title within NMVTIS.
VIN: E53F001029 Title Issue Date: 10/06/2009 Odometer: Exempt

Indiana Historical Title Information
This is a historical record within NMVTIS.
VIN: E53F001029 Title Issue Date: 04/18/2007 Odometer: 000041200 Miles

There is no record in NMVTIS of the forfeiture of the Indiana title, but note that Florida is the current State of Title and Indiana is a historical record

Looks like a good outcome for the Florida owner.

[Brett H.]

Re: 1953 # 29

The only discrepency that I see is this:

CAC 1953 Registry - Information given by the IN owner states "132,000 miles", but the data given to the IN DMV by the same IN claimed owner states "41,200 miles" when the title was applied for in 2007. ??????? Must have been a daily driver for the past two years.

Glad it all worked out.

[Edward M.]

Re: 1953 # 29

The only discrepency that I see is this:

CAC 1953 Registry - Information given by the IN owner states "132,000 miles", but the data given to the IN DMV by the same IN claimed owner states around "41,000 miles" when the title was applied for in 2007. ???????

Glad it all worked out.

I suspect that issue will go away when the CAC 1953 Registry is updated to reflect the current Florida owner info.

[Edward M.]

Re: 1953 # 29

Will do but I would check with the state you live in and see how long a car is tracked/listed if you do not continue the registration ie get a tag. Alabama will issue a title on a pre 75 car if you ask, thats how I got my 55 registered in FL as FL would only accept a title for the car when I went to title in it Florida.

Tyler

Tyler;

I just asked this very question, and got the response indicated below from the Alabama Department of Revenue, which handles vehicle titles and registration.

Are you saying that you got Alabama to issue a title on your 55?

Ed

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From: Revenue - Titles [Titles.Revenue@revenue.alabama.gov]
To: ed.mccomas@willbrook.com
Cc:
Subject: RE: Titles Section Contact from the Website


Alabama will not issue a title for a pre 1975 vehicle. We will only issue a title on 1975 or newer.

js

-----Original Message-----
From: ed.mccomas@willbrook.com [mailto:ed.mccomas@willbrook.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:04 AM
To: Revenue -- Titles
Subject: Titles Section Contact from the Website



The following person has entered a message from the website which needs attention:

I am aware that no title is required for vehicles registered in Alabama that were manufactured prior to 1975. However, I have been told that I can request that an Alabama title be issued for an pre-1975 vehicle. Some other states (i.e. Florida) will not allow a new owner to register the car without a title. Not having an Alabama title prevents me from selling the vehicle to an owner in those states. Can I request that Alabama issue a title for a pre-1975 vehicle that I currently have registered in Alabama?

Ed McComas

[Tyler T.]

Re: 1953 # 29

My 55.

When I was contacted about the car I asked about a title. The car was last registered in GA in 1965 and had been in a guys garage for 40 years. He had no title since GA was a non title state at the time so there was no real documentation on the car per se. The guy who bought the car was a long time friend of the original seller so he bought it on a bill of sale. Since I wanted a title he went through some on line agency that 'titled/registered' the car with paperwork that Florida would accept. He then took that paperwork to DMV and got a title for the car in my name. It was my understanding the paperwork was from Alabama. I mispoke about it being a title, here is the info.

http://www.broadwaytitle.com/how.htm

A quote from a previous page which answers an earlier question:

After five (5) years most titles are out of the system, but if you think your car is still in your state's computer, just contact your local "Department of Motor Vehicles" (DMV) and give them the Vehicle Identification Number from your vehicle. Then ask the status of the Title if any.

So if you have had your car off the road for over 5 years your title might not have the protection of being an active/valid title.

Tyler

[Edward M.]

Re: 1953 # 29

Thanks Tyler, that makes sense to me. An Alabama registration and bill of sale is usually enough to get a title in other states.

[Tom B.]

Re: 1953 # 29

It seems like the best thing to do if you are in a non title state is to register your car with a registry, even if you ask to list the ownership as anonymous, to keep the frauds away from your VIN. Also it would be a good idea to register it for a license plate every so many years just to keep it's ownership active within the state.

I have lived in Ohio for 26 years and never transferred my Indiana title since my '59 was not drivable. I was sort of worried about title inactivity so this spring I had a local car dealer do the VIN inspection and took it and the old title to the title office. I had a new title in had in about 15 minutes. Ohio issues the new title on the spot printed at the title office. I was rather amazed at the system but now I'm even more amazed to find out that they checked it through the National Motor Vehicle Title Information System while I was standing there.

It does make you wonder if there will be an automatic cross checking of VINs across all states when this goes online nationally. A lot of people could be in for a big surprise.

Tom

[Edward M.]

Re: 1953 # 29

I have current active registrations (with license plates) for all three of my classic cars. I keep them current. Only one of these cars is operable at the moment. These registrations do show up in the NMVTIS.

[Tyler T.]

Re: 1953 # 29

1953 s/n 29 will be on display in an as found condition. 1953 s/n 150 will be there for PV so if you have intrests in 53s here is your chance to become educated.

http://www.earlycorvettes.com/chatgroups/53Florida029/53Florida2.jpg

Tyler

[Brett H.]

Re: 1953 # 29

Maybe you can offer a free spot to the IN car for display and see if he'll accept?