70 LS5 choke rod clip

[Donald A.]

Re: 70 LS5 choke rod clip

While researching the proper choke rod and clip for 1970 LS5 cars, I found this thread.

It left me uncertain about the proper configuration...

- Should these cars have a choke rod with no groove in the top end and a "small black-oxide-plated clip that locks back on the choke rod" as stated and shown on page 62 of the JG?

- Or is the JG wrong as this thread implies, and instead these cars should have a choke rod with a groove in the top end to accommodate a C clip?

I don't know if my car has the original choke linkage, but when purchased in 1990 it had a choke rod with a groove and a C clip.

This thread is from 2009; is there more clarity about this now?

FWIW my car, built first day of production, with original carb and engine has the odd clip you describe above. Not a C clip.

[Mark E.]

Re: 70 LS5 choke rod clip

Don- Thanks! Wow, first day of 1970 production... what date was that and what's your car's sn?

Gary- Thank you for your kind offer to look at cars in Denver and share photos. Don's car is a good data point but it's good to see other cars as well.

[Donald A.]

Re: 70 LS5 choke rod clip

Jan 5, 1970 #133
Engine stamp in Alt location as well

[Gary B.]

Re: 70 LS5 choke rod clip

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This is on a 5-star Bowtie, S/N 5884 here at Denver. 70, 454.
Gary

[Richard R.]

Re: 70 LS5 choke rod clip

Thanks for the effort Gary, that is something that needed fixing. My car has that same exact set up. I have had my car judged 4 times two being regionals and never been dinged for the clip. I think the judges knew the manual was wrong and it would be fixed next revision of the JG. Thanks again Richard

[Mark E.]

Re: 70 LS5 choke rod clip

Thank you Gary!

I think your photo resolves the questions in this thread and the list of "similar threads" below.

Is the clip shown in your photo formally called a "C" clip or "E" clip, or something else?

EDIT: Does this mean the setup on Don's car isn't correct (see his post above)? Or maybe more than one type of rod/clip configuration was used? Don's car is from the first day of 1970 production, the car in Gary's photo is about 1/3 into the production run, and my June 22 car is similar to the photo (although I'm not confident that's how it was originally assembled).

[Terry M.]

Re: 70 LS5 choke rod clip

I'll offer my two cents:
Y'all are expecting way too much from both the AIM (the configuration of fasteners in the drawings mean nothing -- look up John Hinckley's AIM articles on the First Gen Camaro Research boards) and the Judging Guide.

[Gary B.]

Re: 70 LS5 choke rod clip

Mark.
Short answer to your question is I do not know from early to mid to late.
I'll watch and make notes as time goes by. A sample of one car is not enough for me.
I call them "C" clips, but they look like a letter "E" when not installed. Most hardware stores have them.
Gary

[Rick N.]

Re: 70 LS5 choke rod clip

OK guys,
In the past 5 years, has there been a decision on what is the correct clip for the '70 LS5 choke rod?
Thanks, Rick

[Terry M.]

Re: 70 LS5 choke rod clip

OK guys,
In the past 5 years, has there been a decision on what is the correct clip for the '70 LS5 choke rod?
Thanks, Rick

Does anyone have the 6th Edition of the 1970-72 TIM&JG dated 2019?

Bueller?, ...Bueller?, ..........Bueller?

[Rick N.]

Re: 70 LS5 choke rod clip

Does anyone have the 6th Edition of the 1970-72 TIM&JG dated 2019?

Bueller?, ...Bueller?, ..........Bueller?

Yes. I have a 6th Edition.

[Mark E.]

Re: 70 LS5 choke rod clip

The Bowtie car shown with a c-clip in Gary's post is different than the JG. The choke rod clip mystery continues.

[Terry M.]

Re: 70 LS5 choke rod clip

I just spent some quality time today with Gary B. Today we know no more than we did in 2019 when the 6th Edition of the TIM&JG was first printed. A frequent expression from Mr. B is: "Just now I am more confused than a bastard on Father's Day." And I agree.

I will also offer another crude expression: When I used to teach what is now called "Automotive Technology" at the local Junior College we used to call all of the above kinds of clips (regardless configuration) "Jesus clips." The reason was that was what you said if you tried to remove or install them as they went flying into parts unknown of the engine compartment. One also used that expression when praying that it didn't enter the induction portion of the engine.

The reason for that parable is that the chances of finding one of these things and believing it is original to the car is like finding chicken lips. Or it is akin to finding a factory installed oil filter on a Corvette. We are still searching, and if someone tells you they know; ask them for the proof. Our standard when entering something into the TIM&JG is that an example of one means just that = ONE and doesn't pass the bar for entry into the manual.

[Mark E.]

Re: 70 LS5 choke rod clip

Should the choke rod have a groove? If yes, then it uses a c-clip or similar. If not, then it uses a clip that rotates and locks as shown in the JG.

[Tom B.]

Re: 70 LS5 choke rod clip

Seems that when you use the repro choke rod and black phosphate clip a lot of times it puts pressure on the choke rod and t doesnt work properly you have to fool around with it.