Do you need be present at judging

[Leonard W.]

Can someone tell me if you must be present when your car is being judged? I've waited over a year to get it judged, but something personal has come up and I might have to be out of state. Just wondering if another person can take it there. I would sure hate to wait another year

[Harmon C.]

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You must be their at the time it is judged. Someone can get it their and back for you like a car hauling company.

[Bill I.]

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Suppose his representive produced a signed notorized statement from the owner authorizing him to act in his behalf? Bill

[Gary C.]

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Judging Reference Manual page 9 section 8 - Ownership & Presentation; second paragraph - "The owner must be present at their car during the time frame in which judging is scheduled to take place." There are no exceptions to this NCRS rule, sorry. Gary....

[Rick S.]

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Can someone explain then, how ProTeam presents a car for judging, and Terry is not there but an employee is there for judging. When the results are posted in NCRS publications Terry is listed as the owner, not ProTeam.

Rick

[Joel F.]

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Can someone explain then, how ProTeam presents a car for judging, and Terry is not there but an employee is there for judging. When the results are posted in NCRS publications Terry is listed as the owner, not ProTeam.

Rick

and the plot thickens . . .

[Terry M.]

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I don't know what meet you are talking about, but I have judged ProTeam cars at the Michigan Chapter and at the San Jose National, and Terry was at both events. At both those events he had several cars being judged at the same time, so he was not by each car ALL of the time -- but we reviewed the score sheets with him on each car I judged.

I have judged his cars at Chevy Vette Fest and he was not present, but they have different rules about that than NCRS does.

During the 15 or so years I was 1970-72 National Team Leader there were several occasions at which the car owner was not present. In each of those cases the meet judging chairman gave the owner permission to have someone else represent his car, and the meet judging chair told me that. Those decisions can be made by the meet judging chairman, but they are for very serious circumstances. Usually a business appointment will not cut it – think death or illness in the family. Those events were many years ago, and there is a chance the rule has changed since I was NTL.

I do recall one case in which during the midst of judging the owner handed me the keys to his car and said: “Have at it, I have to leave.” He didn’t ask permission, he simply left. Don’t say “foul” too quickly. It was the Florida meet. An announcement had just been made that our troops had just begun action against Saddam in Kuwait. The troops had been massing for weeks, and everyone in the world knew what was going to happen, but no one knew when. The owner was an employee of a defense contractor – I didn’t ask exactly what he did, and I doubt he would have or could have told me. He explained the circumstances to me in a few words, and I took the keys. No one seemed to object. I don’t know how the tab team dealt with the owners signature on the score sheets – I didn’t worry about that. Consider too that event took place quite a few years ago. Some of you might be able to tell when if you know history real well.

[Jean C.]

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Just a guess on my part, but say ProTeam (a corporation?) is on the title as owner, I would imagine that any Corporate Officer of ProTeam could present the car for judging.

I would presume that dealer's cars are normally titled in the name of the company, not in the company owner's name.

Can we have NCRS members' cars for Flight Judging be in the name of a corporation or other legal entity that the member owns? Just wondering.

Best regards,

[Kevin G.]

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According to the 68/72 PV manual:
bullet #1. Owner must be present
bullet # 7 Unless specified otherwise all operations must be performed by the owner or his/her designee.

Further down on page 5,

If there is any doubt regarding the ability of the owner or the vehicle to operate safely on the public roads the chief judge must be consulted because the verification is at risk of termination.

Regards,

Kevin

[Reba W.]

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Charlie, there is a policy on corporate ownership. I will leave it to Roy to explain. Basically, you are correct in what you stated. We encountered a situation regarding at Concord in April.

We also had an owner who had had surgery with complications and his doctor forbade him to travel. He faxed me notarized orders from the doctor and authorization for someone to act in his behalf.

As Terry mentioned, a business commitment usually won't get it.

[Oliver B.]

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Giving this discussion a little different twist (and very well keeping in mind that the original poster is having personal things not allowing him to attend): being with the car judged is SO much fun (and excitement) AND it tremendously adds to the learning curve about the car.
I strongly suggest to be with the car!

[Terry M.]

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This reminds me of the PV which ended when the owner was asked to produce his license. His response: "I don't have it, I'm legally blind." Oops.

[Joel F.]

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I am still confused on this (not surprising!).

Pro-Team had a couple of cars at the WI regional last month and Terry was not present (TC Cooley was his representative). I do not have an axe to grind with Pro-Team or with Terry. I just want to know if this is in fact allowable.

[Larry E.]

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Hello:
FWIW:
Have attended the Illinois Chapter at Galena, IL and Pro Team has had
cars there to be judged and have not seen Terry there; only their reps.
Larry

[Rick A.]

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Can't speak for other meets - but, at Mason Dixon Spring Meet this year, we judged a car that was "registered" under a dealer's name - I spoke with Roy about this and the LEGAL OWNER (i.e., a single individual) had to be identified in a NOTARIZED letter to be "the representative" for the car - this all done as part of the registration process before the event - had no problems