Driveline Cars For Sale

[Gary J.]

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Since that is the case and has been for all of these years then why is not enforced? Just not published the ad.

[Warren F.]

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I think that could easily be accomplished, ads are sent to Eric Mortimer, he can simply reject the ad because it doesn't follow the guidelines stated in the advertisement policy, or he could email the sender and state please include VIN as required, when receiving ads submitted for the Driveline issues.

[Sydney G.]

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With the Driveline growing from issue to issue, I can easily see and understand how some ads slip through without the proper #'s affixed.
However, I still see NO reason why companies who pay to take out half and sometimes full page ads for multiple cars for sale do not have to follow the same guideline as we members do. They should be required to post the VIN number like the rest of us!

Syd

[Steven G.]

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not only that but you could possibly check back thru and find out if that 427/435 with that vin was once advertised for sale as a small block.

I'll bet there are a lot more b/b corvettes today than ever since resale value and preference for b/b is in demand. Without build sheet and/or pop, a car can have a transplant, so buyer beware, who knows what was from factory. This cloning happens to other cars as well. Steve

[Kenneth B.]

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Kenneth,

You are correct. On page 8 of the July/August issue of the Driveline, it states in the first paragraph, fourth sentence. "Ads for cars, bodies and frames for sale or trade must include the Vehicle Identification Serial Number (VIN)."

WARREN
Thank you. Why would someone not want to give the VIN#. As for pricing why not list a price. Too many times I have gotten what will you pay & you give them a honest # & they go off on you as if you told them there wife was fat & ugly. It would save time & apreceived insult if the owner would list a price.
KEN

[Wayne B.]

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Back (in the dark ages) when that policy was set, publishing the VIN was supposed to prevent folks from advertising stolen Corvettes. If the VIN was in the add any member with access to "hot sheets" could verify that a Corvette was not listed on those sheets.

And if you think that is not a threat today, I have some beach front property in Arizona to sell you.

I don't doubt you a bit but that would have to be one stupid crook to list the VIN of a stolen Vette in a publication, another candidate for that "World's Stupidest Crooks" TV show.

[Michael F.]

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one born every minute....NCRS please start enforcing the rules for all, including the vendors who sell cars. when I eventually put my car up for sale it will have both vin and price.

[Ara G.]

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I just listed my car in the driveline. I believe that I did not put a price in, partly due to me being interested in a trade for a 67 coupe. I listed my Lynndale roadster. I didn't put a price as I tried to put a ton of info that members would want to see, i.e. tank sticker, original mileage, owner history,etc. I would love to find a member with a car that I am interested in trading with as opposed to selling outright and then finding a coupe. I would not be swayed from calling an ad that interested me just because there was no asking price. It's worth what it's worth, regardless of asking price. Just my thoughts....ARA

[Loren L.]

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With the Driveline growing from issue to issue, I can easily see and understand how some ads slip through without the proper #'s affixed.

Syd

And does Eric's contract somehow tie his paycheck to the number of pages he prints????

[Rick G.]

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Hi Ed,

I agree completely. I also do not call on cars or parts which do not contain a price. I simply got tired of the "what you pay" answer when I ask the price. It should be a condition of advertising for a non commercial advertiser to price their merchandise. I have proposed this for many years to the NCRS management staff and it is usually met with favorable responses but that is as far as it goes. If I had my way, price it or pay for commercial rates.

[Edward C.]

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I never consider anything without a price on it. Will not even look at the ad if I don't see a price. Same thing in stores. Figure owner is just trolling and it is a waste of me time. Ed

[Ridge K.]

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About the price issue: I agree 100%. The seller should (IMO) put an asking price listed. If he or she wishes to trade for another car, that's easily mentioned that the price is high, due to the preference to trade the car, and not sell it outright.
I've also offered an explanation about the "no VIN" issue before. I'll mention the story again. I'm not telling anyone to not divulge their VIN number, nor am I recommending that you do so. I simply am offering an explanation as to a rare problem:
A good friend of mine who owned a PHS documented 1965 GTO hardtop, listed it for sale via the internet about five years ago. His car was free & clear of liens. In attaching photos, he included a pic of the PHS documents, including his VIN. Three days after posting the photos, he received a telephone call from an internet classic car lending company, with their representative telling him the loan was approved, but they needed additional copies of the appraisal. He first thought that someone was trying to buy the car, and acquire a loan to complete the purchase.
It turned out, that by giving his VIN, as well as photos, description, and the fact the car was free & clear, a scam artist was attempting to place a mortgage on a car that the scammer didn't own, and have the loan proceeds mailed to him in the form of a check.
Maybe in 2009, this attempted scam would be impossible to pull off. I don't know. I do know this however,.....anyone serious buyer could call the owner, properly identify themselves including having a valid caller id show up, and request the VIN number over the telephone. I can't imagine a fellow member refusing to give the VIN to a serious buyer. They could then check till their heart was content. For me,...I'm missing why it must be published for not only NCRS members to see, but also the sweat-shop scammers in Nigeria.
Don't shoot the messenger. As stated, I only offered an explanation about why some people don't wish to publish their VIN.
I wonder is the editor of The Driveline has been advised of possible liability for forcing the seller to publish the VIN? Just a thought. HOPEFULLY, we may hear an explanation from the editor.
Ridge.

[Terry M.]

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Interestingly one of my arguments against the on-line posting of the NCRS Publications was the risk of opening up the contents to non-members. Ridge gives a good example of how that could happen. I expect if there were ONLY paper copies of The Driveline we would just have to limit the number of members in Nigeria.

[Howard W.]

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I never looked, but now days in the Internet age they might be on line. Goggle, or any of the other search engines will give you an answer.

Otherwise they are on law enforcement computer systems, and you would have to take a VIN to your local law enforcement agency and tell them you are considering buying this car and want to know if it has been reported stolen. If you decide to do that, let us know what the response is.

I was interested in a particular car and went to my local law enforcement agency (New Jersey) and asked if they could check the serial numbers and the seller to make sure there was no fraud involved. The person in charge (Detective) said the only information they could provide was to do a search to see if a vehicle with that specific serial number had been reported stolen in the last 90 days. They did this a got back to me the next day. They would not verify ownership, color, make, year, etc. only that it had not been reported stolen

[Paul J.]

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26 years ago when I was building houses on the side, I used to go around and around with realtors about not putting the price of my homes in thier ads. My argument was that my house was not the only one out there and people are looking at what they can afford. Thier arguement was that they wanted to latch onto the customer as they could steer them to the right house (not necessarily mine). Many car dealers are the same. They want to get you on the lot so they can suck you in.

But there is no reason why a private seller should not provide a price. I believe that many, many people are proud of thier cars and either believe that the vehicle is worth more than it is, or are ignorant about the pricing of thier car. That's the only reason I can come up with why someone wouldn't list the price. Case in point: The week before last I e-mailed a Craig's list ad about an '01 Silverado that was a very nice truck, but $1,200 over full retail. I still made the effort even though he was wrong on the price. He wouldn't deal, which was why it was the 24th day of his ad when I contacted him. The guy is proud and stubborn, but not realistic. However, if this guy had not listed the price, I wouldn't have even spent the time to contact him. After all, his isn't the last truck on the planet.

As for VINs, I've become increasingly leery of scammers. Even though you have to be flexible, I prefer to give you the VIN on my specialty cars when we have a preliminary deal. By then I know you a little better. It can then be checked out, or provided to a lender.