1971 Door Jamb Blackout Area?

[Paul C.]

I have looked at several pictures and read the judging manual on this and just want to make sure before painting. The black selm-gloss to semi-flat black black extends from the door panel surface to the weatherstripping on the front part of the door? Does that also include the anterior flat area of the door which would be the front face of the door. In otherwords the door makes a 90 degree bend from the door panel surface to where the weatherstrip is--is that area also black or just the door panel flat area. I hope I haven't confused everyone.
Thanks Paul

[Edward J.]

Re: 1971 Door Jamb Blackout Area?

Paul The Black Out Operation Is Not All The Same On All Cars, My 72 Coupe Is Blacked Out From Weatherstrip To Door Panel On The Top, Down To About 2 Inchs From The Bottom, There Is Sometimes Alittle Unpainted Area On The Top Of Door Closest To Weatherstrip. Were Body Color Shows, Hope This Helps, Ed

[Paul C.]

Re: 1971 Door Jamb Blackout Area?

Thanks Ed. I thought 71 & 72 would be the same. I quess I need a judge to tell me us what is correct.
Paul

[Doug J.]

Re: 1971 Door Jamb Blackout Area?

Paul,
The area from the door panel to the weatherstrip is blacked out from the top of the door to the bottom, to right about where it turns under the door. The area from the weatherstrip to the outside area of the door is body color.

[Paul C.]

Re: 1971 Door Jamb Blackout Area?

Doug:

That would include the area after/between the 90 degree bend and the weatherstrip not just the flat door panel surface. I just want to make sure before I paint it. It was only painted to the 90 degree bend.
Thanks Paul

[Doug J.]

Re: 1971 Door Jamb Blackout Area?

Paul,

I'm a little confused as to what you refer to as the " 90 degree bend". I am assuming you mean the bottom front corner, part of the door. If that is it, blackout down to that point, maybe an inch or two past it under the door, from the door panel to the weatherstrip, it was not really an exact science.....Open the drivers door all the way, sit in the passenger seat, look over at the door, you should not see any body color between the door panel and the weatherstrip. I hope that is what you meant.

[Doug J.]

Re: 1971 Door Jamb Blackout Area?

Paul,

I hope the picture's help, there a little bright because of the flash, but you should get the general idea.

[Paul C.]

Re: 1971 Door Jamb Blackout Area?

Thanks Doug. The flat surface I was asking about is where the door clip and screw are mounted--yes it it black. Is that semi-gloss or semi-flat black--judging manual says either.
Paul

[Doug J.]

Re: 1971 Door Jamb Blackout Area?

No problem...It's Krylon, Semi-Flat #1613 ( I can get it by the case)

[Charles P.]

Re: 1971 Door Jamb Blackout Area?

Hello Doug Are these 3 pictures from the 71 or 72 you have ?

[Warren F.]

Re: 1971 Door Jamb Blackout Area?

Those pictures of Doug's look like a restoration, that is not typical of what is seen on original paint cars. The areas of black shown in the first and second pictures do not look like that on original paint cars.

[Paul C.]

Re: 1971 Door Jamb Blackout Area?

Warren are you saying Doug's is incorrect? If so what so a 1971 look like. Need some C-3 (1971) judges to weigh in here. Can't seem to get two people or cars that look the same. The pictures I have seen of original 1972's look like Doug's except the paint was not as thick and maybe not as dark.
Paul

[Doug J.]

Re: 1971 Door Jamb Blackout Area?

Charles
Picture is from my '71.....from your avatar,it looks as though you have PO2's on your car, would it be possible to send me a few side view picture's of it ? Send to: scara451@aol.com Thanks..


Warren
They are from a restoration, but not far off from the originals. Would you also be able to send me a few photo's of an exact original if you have them available. What is the major differance's ? Thanks also..

[Jack H.]

Re: 1971 Door Jamb Blackout Area?

I wouldn't expect you to find two cars that look 'identical'. The black out process was influenced by human factors issues (what painter, what day, was he in a hurry, Etc.). I would expect to find a reasonably broad variance from car to car in terms of black out coverage...

[Doug J.]

Re: 1971 Door Jamb Blackout Area?

I wouldn't expect you to find two cars that look 'identical'. The black out process was influenced by human factors issues (what painter, what day, was he in a hurry, Etc.). I would expect to find a reasonably broad variance from car to car in terms of black out coverage...

Thank you Jack....There is a huge variance to the word "typical" I feel. Will a restored door blackout area look the same as an original, No. But that original blackout probably looked as clean, as dark, and as good as a restored one when it was new. Most restored items look better than original anyway, because time is being taken on each particular item to do it right, they are not on a moving assembly line any more. As you stated, to the person doing the blackout or many other installations, it was just a job, done by a person who might have had a bad night, fight with his wife, had a headache, or just was not in the mood, and some may just do a better job than the next guy. No two cars were ever exactly the same. What does the "R" mean in NCRS.