Deduction For Reproduction Tires

[Larry M.]

Re: Deduction For Reproduction Tires

I just sent a new set from Coker to a guy that I was told can take the DOT and load range off and it is undetectable. How I don't know, but I should get them back to the shop the end of next week. E-mail me if you want his info, I will post and let you know how they look.

Jeremy Hedges
#31711
Hedges Corvettes, LLC
Hedgescorvettes.com

A sharp razor blade and a hot iron.

Larry

[Dick W.]

Re: Deduction For Reproduction Tires

Jeremy, unless Coker has changed their tires, you are going to take a pretty good hit for other deviations. Tread, nomenclature on the sidewalls, etc

[Jeremy H.]

Re: Deduction For Reproduction Tires

Believe me, I hope he doesn't ruin these new tires. My customer told me to send the tires to this guy to get them removed. It will be interesting when I get them toward the end of next week.

Jeremy Hedges
#31711

[Rick S.]

Re: Deduction For Reproduction Tires

Coker tires are identified as "Coker" on the sidewall. How would someone get around that unless the person is going to have that removed as well. Then what are you going to gain, it is still a non-original brand. Just my .02

Rick

[Jeffrey A.]

Re: Deduction For Reproduction Tires

Guys thank you very much for all the imput on this matter. I look forward in additional posting to learn even more. Thanks

Jeff

[Dave B.]

Re: Deduction For Reproduction Tires

I am confused on this deduction as well. My 65 has reproduction correct bias tires on it. I expect the DOT deduction. The manual calls for either Firestone or Goodyear tires. The spare is a Goodyear and the 4 on the wheels are Firestone.

Reading the manual it appears that I would not lose points other than the DOT deduction in this case. Is this correct?

Thanks

[Dick W.]

Re: Deduction For Reproduction Tires

Dave I have not seen the current Firestone repro tires, but the earlier tires deviated from the original by tread, construction, DOT logo, and nomenclature on the sidewalls

[Dave B.]

Re: Deduction For Reproduction Tires

Dick:

Thanks for your thoughts. I should have added that the tires are gold line tires. I am wondering if your thought are the same for the gold lines?

Thanks

[Dick W.]

Re: Deduction For Reproduction Tires

The only ones that I have seen do take a hefty deduction, but like I stated, I have not seen the newest versions

[Bill C.]

Re: Deduction For Reproduction Tires

Interesting that I just returned from a chapter meet and the subjet was discussed at length and not resolved. On page 67 of the 1967 judging manul it lists the tires that were original equipment and in the next paragraph it mentions the brands that are red lines but omits BF Goodrich which was listed in the first paragraph as original equipment. Since my car has the BF Goodrich Silvertown Redlines mintioned in the first paragraf but omitted from the second which deals with Repo tires. How would you score that ? Just wondering......................................Bil l #20328

[Jeffrey A.]

Re: Deduction For Reproduction Tires

I will post a picture tommorrow on my tires for comments.
Jeff

[William C.]

Re: Deduction For Reproduction Tires

Commenting on the Firestone Goldlines (and all original redlines/goldlines) the redline/goldline used in 65-67 was a COMPLETLY different tire from the standard tire used in those years, with different Height profile, different (wider) tread pattern and in the case of the Firestone I believe the tire was a "super sport" on the sidewall. Deviation from the original in any of the areas above should cause a judge to adjust the score for more than just the minimal deduction for the "DOT" I had a lengthy discussion with John Kelsey when he was considering doing his reproduction Goodyear several years ago, and with the help of an NCRS member who found the original prints and John was able to deliver a very accurate reproduction to the market. I have not kept up with the other manufacturers in the last few years, but at a minimum I would expect to see the appropriate tread width, Proper naming (Super Sport) and proper "low profile" section width for a tire to receive only the DOT deduction.

[Page C.]

Re: Deduction For Reproduction Tires

Hi Bill,
I believe the wording on page 67 under Original Tires states: The original equipment manufactures and trade names for Blackwall and Whitewall tires are-- and it list the 5 brands including BF Goodrich. These are 5 brands are for whitewalls and blackwalls ONLY.
The only three brands for redlines are Uniroyal(not tiger paws) and Goodyear and Firestone . It is my understanding that BF Goodrich didn't make redline for 1967 Corvettes.
Page Campbell

[Larry M.]

Re: Deduction For Reproduction Tires

Interesting that I just returned from a chapter meet and the subjet was discussed at length and not resolved. On page 67 of the 1967 judging manul it lists the tires that were original equipment and in the next paragraph it mentions the brands that are red lines but omits BF Goodrich which was listed in the first paragraph as original equipment. Since my car has the BF Goodrich Silvertown Redlines mintioned in the first paragraf but omitted from the second which deals with Repo tires. How would you score that ? Just wondering......................................Bil l #20328

Bill:

The way I read/interpret the latest (fourth edition) of the 1967 Judging Manual is that BF Goodrich was a supplier of blackwall and whitewall tires for the Corvette, but they did not supply redlines. The OEM redline tires were Firestone Super Sports, Goodyear Power Cushion, and Uniroyal High Performance.

Therefore 7:75-15 BF Goodrich Silvertown REDLINE TIRES with DOT markings would be a "non-OEM brand reproduction tire having correct size and sidewall specification". Per the Reference Manual, this is a 40% Standard Deduction for Originality.

If they were blackwalls or whitewalls instead, then the Originality deduction would be less (probably 10-20% deduction) since they were an OEM brand.

At one time.....many years ago......I think that the 1967 Judging Manual listed BF Goodrich Silvertown redlines as OEM. But this was removed in later editions as more information became available.

Larry

[William C.]

Re: Deduction For Reproduction Tires

That is correct, NO BFG redlines or Goldlines either for that matter, Goodyear and Firestone only for 65-67