67 door panel screws

[Dereck S.]

Need help locating the two individual door panel screws at the upper rear of the 67 panels. I haven't been able to locate replacement screws from any of the many parts companies. Are these shared/common with any other screws in the interior? Is there a bezel under the head?

[Wayne W.]

Re: 67 door panel screws

Two types were used. One had a built in washer design and the other was a bevel washer and bevel trim screw. Both styles are correct.

[Gerard F.]

Re: 67 door panel screws

Wayne,

Did one of them look like this:



Looks like a radio side panel or kick panel screw.

Funny thing, I always had a beveled phillips with a beveled washer on the drivers side, and this one on the passenger side. Then someone convinced me that this one was wrong, since I had different ones each side.

So, I replaced this one with a beveled phillips and made a beleved washer like the drivers side. Last time out, I got dinged for it.

If the one above is correct, I think I'll put it back.

[Dereck S.]

Re: 67 door panel screws

Both my panels have the fasteners and washers as shown in Gerard's image. I assumed these were incorrect since I've seen the bevel type on other NCRS cars. I cannot find the bevel ones anywhere. If the radio panel or kick panel screws are also correct I will leave them.
thanks,
Dereck

[David K.]

Re: 67 door panel screws

I have attached a picture (hopefully) of an original '67 door panel screw. I believe you will get "dinged" if there is anything different in your panel.

I have not found anyone reproducing these screws that list them for door panels but I have found screws similar enough listed for other purposes but I can't remember where right now. If I do I will post again. They are trim screws that are also used on the back part od the kick panel.

[Gerard F.]

Re: 67 door panel screws

David,

Interesting to note the differences in position of the screw between the yours and my original door panels.

I replaced mine with the center lower screw from a 66-early 67 kick panel (the one with the beveled washer). That's the screw I got dinged on, even though I had a similar screw but larger head on the driver's side.

Wonder if anyone has found a callout for this screw in the 67 AIM.
If not, I would think that they used what they had on hand, and both styles are probably correct, as Wayne says.

Funny that I had a different screw each side.

[Dale S.]

Re: 67 door panel screws

Jerry, both of my March 30th 1967 trim screws look like your picture. Dale

[David K.]

Re: 67 door panel screws

Dale,

is you car original or has it been restored? If it is original, I would love to see a picture of the door panel screw.

David K

[Dereck S.]

Re: 67 door panel screws

I took David's feedback and looked at the kick panel screws and found that the rear upper (adjacent to the outside air vent) differs from the other screws and bezels. The rear upper bezel is designed to be trapped in the panel. The other bezels are surface mounted. Attached is a picture of the one that David is likely referring to. This looks like ones I've seen in other NCRS cars. This may be the one I'm looking for.
Dereck

[Gerard F.]

Re: 67 door panel screws

Dereck,

There should be two of those kick panel screws in your picture for each kick panel, one on the top, and one on the bottom middle. The other 4 kick panel screws are the flanged headed phillips with the integral trim washer.

Sometime in early 67, your screw was discontinued for that use and replaced with the screw like the other 4. (the revision date is in the 67 AIM). That's why one sees 67 kick panels with 2 of one type of screw, and 4 of the other (earlier), or 6 of the one type (later). Although the revision date is in the AIM, the actual date when the change was made is not known.

My late 67 had the 6 screws alike on the original kick panels, all looking like the door panel screw picture I posted above.

The little ferrule in your picture was a part of the original kick panel and backing. There were six of these on my original 67 kick panels.

So, I did what I think you are going to do. I got a set of repro kick panel screws and used the beveled one as my door panel screw. For the beveled washer, I ground off the back of that ferrule you have, and used it as the beveled washer in the door panel.

And guess what. I got dinged for that screw in the door last time out.

Whether it was the beveled washer or the screw that gave it away, I don't know. So for next time, I think I'm going to put back my original trim screw back on.

What makes sense to me, is that if you had the 2 of one type and 4 of the other in the kick panels, you would probably have the beveled phillips with the beveled washer in the door. But if you had the six of one type in the kick panels (after the beveled screw was discontinued), you would probably have a screw in the door looking like one of the six.

Now if I can only explain why I have different screws on the door panels either side.

Where's Mike Murray on this.

Are we getting anal?

[Gene M.]

Re: 67 door panel screws

Guys,
The typical trim screws used in the mid year interior are #8 sheet metal thread with a jackson head. A jackson head is a phillips #6 oval head with a #8 thread. The head size is about 20% smaller and thus sits lower in the counter sink hole it is design for. It is very obvious when a generic #8 oval head is incorrectly used.

There are a few jackson head machine screw #8 screws used but off hand I can't recall where.

[Jim T.]

Re: 67 door panel screws

Dereck in looking at the picture of the door panel screw that Gerald provided I recently bought some chrome trim screws that are very close if not exactly like Geralds screw. Find a auto parts store that sells "Dorman" products. The part number on my container of 10 screws is 961-230.

[Wayne W.]

Re: 67 door panel screws

I have two `67s with this screw and beveled washer. Many are like this.



I also see them with this screw which is the same screw that is on the convertible quarter panel trim.



I think this is the same screw that is in Gerald`s photo. It is the kick panel trim screw. Both this screw and the quarter trim screw are long enough to do the job, and were both probably used. I see them there also, but with all of them, it was an easy thing to move or replace.



This is the radio trim panel screw. It was not long enough to reach though the door panel, but is very similar in construction as the quarter trim panel screw.

[Mike M.]

Re: 67 door panel screws

Hi Guys, reporting for duty.
David King's pic represents the screw/washer configuration and position that we have seen on original car door panels and what the judges expect to see.
And yes, the original door panel screw head is smaller than the similarly appearing kick panel screw.
Gene, I was thinking that a standard #8 screw would have a #10 head while the #8 GM trim screws had #8 heads. It would seem that a #8 screw with a #6 head would make the head smaller than the shaft or too small to b effective...any experts to help clarify???
HaND

[Gerard F.]

Re: 67 door panel screws

Mike,

Hate to disagree on a single screw But---I think judges should accept any of the screws shown in Wayne's pictures, as well as the other pictures above, in the subject position.

First of all, the 67 AIM doesn't even show this screw (UPC 1 Doors, K15). Instead it shows the addition of clips with an elaborate drilling diagram in the area (View B) which was added fairly late (February 8, 1967). This somewhat indicates to me that they probably had a problem with holding the panel to the contour of the door.

Perhaps the factory guys improvised a solution to the problem by putting in a screw, maybe the discontined one or other one from the kick panel, a rear quarter panel screw, or even a radio side panel screw if it were long enough. Just any old trim screw which would work in the position.

Has anyone seen the clips which were the 67 AIM change of February 8, 1967? (Item 23 3920160 Clip Asm). Perhaps engineering made the change, but did the factory carry this late change through.

Secondly, there are examples of both types of screws and washers in this location (in this thread alone there are 3 reports of the screw with the shoulder type trim washer) . The 67 Judging Guide describes this screw as a "chrome plated Phillips screw and trim washer" Whether the trim washer is the beveled washer or the shoulder type, it doesn't say. However I think many people consider a trim washer the shoulder type rather than the beveled.

Although you can't really tell the detail of the screw in the picture, just from the size of attachment head in the two pictures of 67 door panels in Noland's book (p384), it looks to me that the attachment is a screw with a shoulder type trim washer. I could be wrong.

Also, the screws with the beveled washer in David's and Wayne's picture look to me like a #10 oval head phillips. A #8 head I think would look too small.

So I think I'm going to put back the phillips with the shoulder trim washer, on my passenger side. It is actually same screw and shoulder trim washer as is described for the rear quarter panel in the 67 JG.

On the drivers side, I know I changed the screw to a #10 because the #8 striped out, but it has the original beveled washer. It actually looks like the one in David's and Wayne's picture.

Maybe somebody will straighten me out someday